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| threesixtee 829th Post
 
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|  "Re(3):Udon's Street Fighter Artbook" , posted Sat 8 Jan 01:40
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According to Udon people at Shoryuken, it's a direct translation with notes. Here's hoping.
I ordered the Japanese one already, but I'll still check it out.
{/SIGH}
back over the summer, I think was when this was announced right? something about a limited summer release around the time of comicon? well, when I read all that, I went straight to my local comic shop to order it.
... last month I got it. it was the wrong copy... in japanese, but since it was a small local comic stand, I couldn't just not buy it... so its sitting on my shelf, never even looked at it. then I WAS going to sell it so I could buy the UDON one, but I guess I sat on that too long. {/needless bitching and moaning}
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| Lupin 2827th Post
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| "Re(4):Udon's Street Fighter Artbook" , posted Sat 8 Jan 08:18
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According to Udon people at Shoryuken, it's a direct translation with notes. Here's hoping.
I ordered the Japanese one already, but I'll still check it out.
{/SIGH}
back over the summer, I think was when this was announced right? something about a limited summer release around the time of comicon? well, when I read all that, I went straight to my local comic shop to order it.
... last month I got it. it was the wrong copy... in japanese, but since it was a small local comic stand, I couldn't just not buy it... so its sitting on my shelf, never even looked at it. then I WAS going to sell it so I could buy the UDON one, but I guess I sat on that too long. {/needless bitching and moaning}
You could probably still sell it.
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| Sano 1375th Post
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| "Checking SF Eternal against the SF Plot Guide" , posted Thu 13 Jan 15:31:
I'm still in the middle of reading the book and thus far here are the differences between it and the SF Plot Guide, most of which I'm putting on a Thread so TiamatRoar and others could check out. So far -
The Plot Guide suggests (as a maybe, doesn't outright say)Sakura saw Ryu fight in SF 1. This book states in two different areas that Sakura saw Ryu fight in Tokyo, on the way home from school. And that's the first time she saw him fight, becomes obsessed, and so on.
The Plot Guide used the Relationship chart in the Japanese Version of Eternal to establish that Oro and Gouki(AKA Akuma) fought during the SF3 Series. But in the English Translation it says, "great martial artists who know each other by reputation." Nothing about them fighting each other. A friend is currently checking this out.
The Plot Guide doesn't say what happened in SF2, but the book suggests when they discuss Ryu, Ken and Chun-Li, (as the three mainstays) that after Ken defeated Ryu he married Eliza. That would take Ryu out of the SF2 Tourney allowing Guile or Chun-Li to win (Ken prolly dropping out after his win, much like he dropped out of the SF3 Tourney when Ryu was disqualified, he only enters these tourneys to fight Ryu.) Ryu defeats Ken in SF3 Third Strike anyways so their friendly rivalry remains intact.
Regarding Poison - Since everyone's going to ask, in Hugo's Bio it doesn't mention Poison's sex at all, says "his manager Poison" twice. But, in the section that talks about the games and describes SF3 Second Impact, there's a box with a screen picture of Hugo and Poison that reads, "Hugo's hidden taunt involved the appearance of his partner, Poison. She used her charm to fascinate opponents."
So no, this book has not outed Poison, but Zangief's dislike is still "Beautiful Young Women." Take that as you will.
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| Sano 1374th Post
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| "Re(2):Checking SF Eternal against the SF Plot" , posted Thu 13 Jan 16:44
The book doesn't talk about SF1 characters at all, just like the Japanese one.
Oh, and how they escaped the Ansatsuken/Shotokan mess - It doesn't mention either. Fighting styles are not listed.
The Japanese names for all of the characters are listed for those who have different names in Japanese.
A more final verdict - There really isn't too much on story, as in the character's stories are really short (Japanese version is like this too) As for the Art, I had 90% of it before the Japanese Eternal came out and having the Japanese Eternal well, it's not a big draw, IE for art, Capcom Desing Works, Illustration and Early Days own this book in terms of art. The best parts in this book for me are A)The History of the SF Games (They even mention SNK Games and Virtua Fighter among others, Hella interesting) and the Interviews. But it's mostly because I couldn't read it in Japanese. So like I said, if you have the Japanese version and can read it, you night want to skip this one. There are a few 'extras' however, (US SF Merchandising stuff, Kinu/Shoei San Diego Interview) I'm not sure if it would constitute buying this edition if you can read the previous one.
I'll do a side by side comparison of the English and Japanese version when I'm free, first I need sleep...
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| Sano 1377th Post
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| "Re(6):Checking SF Eternal against the SF Plot" , posted Fri 14 Jan 02:26:
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Know who was it? Was a whle ago like when they started this book, or like years ago?
It was on December 31 2004, that he said this, his name is Jim Zubkavich. Here's what he said at SRK.
"The text in the book was translated and rewritten so that the english wouldn't sound too stilted. When you read it however, you can tell that it's a translation rather than an originally english-written book and that was a conscious decision we made early on. We preferred keeping the translation intact rather than just bulldozing the text and losing the original intent behind it. It was tougher than I thought it would be and I hope fans appreciate that when they check out the book.
What this all means that the Character Profiles, Interviews and History sections are all translated in full, so you'll finally know what was written in your Japanese version. It's pretty much a sentence for sentence adaption approved by Capcom of Japan.
The Endings section of the book contains the text from the US versions of the games not the Japanese ones, so that's different. The merchandise and box art section also contains US versions rather than the Japanese ones."
A link to the Thread where the above comes from -
http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79534&page=1
I will add however that even the Japanese version of the book is not the greatest for storylines, (AAC books are better) the people left at Capcom nowadays don't care too much about this stuff nowadays, so any problems you come across story related, that's something to pin on Capcom of Japan, (T.Hawk - Juli connection, World Warrior Tournament mentioned in Rolento and R.Mika's Bio, no relationship chart arrow between Ryu and Sagat, what the...) not the translators. (There's some wrong info on the Games history, some looks like typos, some look like Capcom of Japan errors, without being able to read Japanese I can't really point fingers, except for obvious stuff.) It's not really meant to be a huge storyline book anyways since the story descriptions are very brief. Stuff that can be added to the plot guide, that's for TiamatRoar and Saiki to decide what to go with, I just bring it to there attention and that's my small part.
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| Sano 1381th Post
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| "Compairing the Japanese and US Versions" , posted Fri 14 Jan 13:05:
Here we go.
Japanese Version - It's about 11 1/2 x 8 1/4 inches. It's width is about an inch. It comes with a plastic sleeve that contains all of the text and if you remove it you get to see the cover with no text. The back of this sleeve also has the barcode/isbn info text, and the SF 15th Anniversary logo in color. Without the sleeve, you get the same logo just in grey. Comes with another sleeve that about three inches high that covers the lower portion like many Mangas do, and just advertises the book. It clocks in at 272 pages and has Ikeno's SF2 cover. Reads from right to left, high quality paper.
English Version - About 11 1/4 x 8 1/4 inches. It's width is about half an inch. No sleeves, so text is on the cover. The back features Edayan's SF2 Revival Potraits minus Gouki and advertises the book, like most US Graphic Novels do and has barcode/isbn info, text, and the same grey SF 15th Anniversary Logo. Shinkiro art cover. The quality of the pages in not as high but retains a glossy look like the above. Reads from left to right. Clocks in at 302 pages.
The Japanese version contains a mini brochure that tells you how to get the SF Visa Card that has Ryu and Chun-Li on it. Also on the brochure there's a drawing not in the American version of Guile fighting Ryu.
The beginings of both books
Japanese - An enlarged drawing of Ryu from a pic where he's fighting with Alex (but you don't see Alex here, but the full drawing appears in both books.) No text.
English version shows the Japanese cover, text below the image.
From here on out, to point out the similarities would be ludicrous and take forever so for the most part I'm only going to point out differences. Both have all the same artwork, same history of games, same interviews etc., etc.
Special Illustration Gallery Chapter - The American version adds three drawings Shinkiro did for Studio Udon. 1. Guile and Chun-Li 2. Vega(Cape) and Ryu 3. Doll Cammy and Chun-Li.
All Character Profile Introduction Chapter - The US Version on the side of each page where you turn the page has an orange bar that tells the characters name on the page. This is where it points out the name differences. For example, for Akuma it says 'AKUMA aka GOUKI in Japan' and so forth. Other then that, exactly the same except that the US version does toss in two pages that translate all of the Japanese Moves as to what they mean in english. Examples - 'Hadouken - Wave Motion Strike. Rekka Shinken - Raging Fire Grand Fist' and so on.
All Ending Introduction Chapter - Each version uses their own respective game endings texts for both regions. The US version does translate Gouki's original SF2 Dialog and ending not in the American version of the game. Other than that, the rest are the same as the US versions of the Game.
SF Good's Collection Chapter - Both have the same Chun-Li cold cast statue, the SF credit card again (but shown in diferent areas in both books) then they differ greatly.
Japanese version - The SF Anniversary Gashaphon set of SFZ versions of Ryu, Ken, Chun-Li(SF2 outfit), Doll Cammy, Dhalsim, Sakura, Gouki, Vega(Cape), Sagat and Guile. 2 More Chun-Li models and Chun-Li book ends. The Shinkiro Drawing used for the US version's cover with no text advertised as a lythograph/mat. SF Anniversary shrits that were advertised on the Anniversary website. 4 pages in total for this chapter.
American version - Udon's Chun-Li and Vega(Cape) Busts. The Sota toys of Sodom, Chun-Li, Vega(Cape), Sagat, Ryu, Cammy, Ken, Balrog(Ninja), T.Hawk and Blanka. 2 Chun-Li and 2 Cammy PVC Statues by Yamato. The Resaurus Toys both player versions of Gouki, SFZ Outfit Chun-Li, Necro, Nash, Remy and Sagat. Nuby's SF2 PS2 Controllers of Ryu, Ken, Chun-Li and Gouki. Ripple Junction's SF2 Shirts of Vega(Cape), Chun-Li, Dhalsim, Zangief and Ryu. The SF 15th Anniversary Arcade Stick. The cover of the Street Fighter Alpha Movie. The Street Fighter Alpha 2 Underground Mixxes CD, the DVDs of the US SF Cartoon, Udon's SF Panoramic All Star Poster (covers 9-12, SFZ and SF2 cast), Madman's Cafe favorite kid in the Vega(cape) outfit, LOL! 4 pages in total also.
Street Fighter Comics & Manga Chapter - Only in the American Version - Cammy's Masahiko Nakahira Manga Compilation cover, Issue one's cover of Malibu's Street Fighter Comic, all 8 covers of Masaomi Kanzaki's SF2 Manga, covers of Udon's SF Issue 1 Cover (every SF Character), Gouki issue zero Cover, Chun-Li Summer Special Cover, Chun-Li, Nash and Guile's issue five cover, Ryu, Gouki and Ken issue 6 cover, the Shinkiro Blockbuster Exclusive Graphic Novel Cover with Ryu and Vega(Cape), Jo Chen's Power Foil Covers of Cammy, Balrog(Ninja) Gouki and Ken. 2 pages.
SF Other Publication, Box Art and related images Chapters - From here it gets tricky, in the US this is two seperate chapters, in the Japanese it's one so I'll just group them together, both clock in at 4 pages. Both have EGM's original Chun-Li/Blanka/Ryu cover and The US Sega Genesis covers of SF2 Special Champion Edition and Super SF2. In the English version, you only see the front of these two but in the Japanese you see front and back of both. They also have the Super SF2 3DO Game cover, and SF2 Arcade Instructions.
Japanese - Sakura ad for the Tokyo Game Show '96. A SFZ2 ad. 2 drawings of random SF2 background stuff - Elephant, Car, Samurai Armor, etc. The SF2 Animated Movie Game. Ryu ad for 96'Aou Show Line and some sort of Japanese map.
English - SF Storytelling Game Cover from White Wolf. Living Room Games Capcom World Tournament RPG Rulebook. SFA2, SFA3 and SFAC Strategy Guide covers. 3 Gamepro Covers, one with original art of Zangief, Blanka and Ken. Joe Maduriera's PSM SFZ3 cover of Ryu, Chun-Li, Karin and Blanka. Turbo Grafx Fighting Street US front and back cover. SF2 Collection front and back cover for Saturn. Super Nes front and back covers of the original SF2, Turbo and Super. PS2 covers of SF Alpha 1, 2, and 3. SF3 Third Strike Dreamcast Cover. Super SF2 Ad. Gameboy covers of SF2 Revival and SFA 3.
Street Fighter Series Description Chapter - Exclusive to the Japanese Version. Shows drawings for all the SF Games already in the book and extremely brief descriptions. 2 Pages.
Capcom & Udon Roundtable Interview 2004 San Diego Convention - Exclusive to the English Version. Interview with Shoei and Kinu Nishimura. Picture of the entire Udon Staff. Sketch of 2 Chun-Lis done by Kinu Nishimura and Arnold Tsang. 4 pages.
English Version has 3 pages of ads. One for the SF Comic and teo for the Darkstalkers Comic.
And that's it. I tried to be partial so you can see both and decide if you want both or just one, or if you have the Japanese version if you should buy the English Version as well, or if you are going to purchase the English one you can see what you are missing/getting. Thanks for the kind words thus far! Now off to sleep.
EDIT: Thanks to Shingo the One for the correction!
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| Sano 1392th Post
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| "Re(7):Checking SF Eternal against the SF Plot" , posted Mon 17 Jan 07:09:
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I'm really interested in this book, people outside of the US where/how should they get their hands on it?
Do you think it's selling that well so it might get sold out?
Do you think that the book needs many corrections so it deserves/needs an updated/improved version?
Or is is that if it sells that well it might get the forementioned update/improvement?
I just want to get the book, but if it's going to get a better release...
Thanks in advance.
The errors are not so bad that it harms the book much, a lot of them are Capcom of Japan's fault that wound up getting translated. You'll find most of these errors in the Games History Section and if you know anything about SF you'll pick them out right away. Other than that, typos and such occur.
Does it need an improved version? Yes. Will it get one? It's very early to tell. It seems to be selling well, but weither or not anything comic book related is re-released is based on pre-orders. In the ideal world it would be based on sales, IE if the books sell out, the comic book stores order more books, but they have thus far been terrible with doing this with SF and Udon Books, despite the fact many times over and over books sell out in stores yet they refuse to order more, rather ordering more copies of anything DC or Marvel related.
In short, I hate to give you bad advice and tell you to order the book now if an error-less book comes out. But I still suggest you order it now. If you wish you can definitly wait a year and see what happens. But that's dangerous in itself because if for any reason Udon goes out of business, (Dreamwave just said bye bye, Udon created a Thread asking the fans to help them increase sales, SF is like # 86 of the top 100 books, if it slips too low like 100 something they will have problems, these are dangerous times...) this may turn into another Capcom Illustrations or all of the SF Masahiko Nakahira Mangas fiasco where no one can get an original version (those sold on Ebay of Capcom Illustrations are terribly made copies. If you hold them up to an original they suck.) since Gamest Co. went out of business. (came back as Arcadia later on.) However, so far the Sakura Ganbaru! Manga has been rereleased, and there's Capcom Early Days to swap Illustrations (not exactly the same, but has most of the Illustrations stuff plus new stuff) but this is all in Japan where these books sell.
My experience as a Street Fighter collector has taught me one thing. If you see it, buy it if you can, if you don't, turn around and there's a chance it will be gone like those SF Resaurus toys... Heck, even those Sota Toys are difficult to spot in stores... but you can get them Online, just be prepared to wait for a loooooong time.
You can order a copy through Ruppsworld or Hero Fix. Be warned my Pre-ordered copy of the book from Hero Fix still has not come in... Sometimes I wish I became a Treky so I could get every single Star Trek thing I wanted very easily. Of course I'd buy too much Star Trek stuff, then I'd be broke and I couldn't afford to be talking to you guys Online unless we all used the string and can system, so it all worked out I guess.
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