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| evilhayama
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|  "Re(2):Shadow Hearts From the New World" , posted Thu 24 Mar 09:03
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The cast of Shadow Hearts 2 are genuinely ugly, uninspired designs. I'd LIKE to see a game where you are a leperous, crumbling, shambling mass.
I know a number of ladies who would disagree with you on the Shadow Hearts 2 thing... And as for uninspired, at least they had wacky characters, which is better than the FF model (pretty guy, pretty guy, booby girl, loli girl, beast thing)
I'd play that shambling mass game though...
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| exodus 2446th Post
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| "Re(2):Shadow Hearts From the New World" , posted Thu 24 Mar 09:04
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I'd LIKE to see a game where you are a leperous, crumbling, shambling mass.
hey, so would I! But a game where a character is supposed to be interesting but isn't, that's a detraction. There are so many games out there - you've got to make your decision somehow. I don't need to play every 'good game' that's out there, because I know myself - with most games, I pick them up for 5 minutes, check them out, then go back to playing asuka 120% for the saturn, or worse yet - reading! So it's easy for me to say something like this - if it doesn't interest me visually, I'm saving myself money.
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| Maou 514th Post
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| "Re(2):Shadow Hearts From the New World" , posted Thu 24 Mar 12:02:
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I'd LIKE to see a game where you are a leperous, crumbling, shambling mass.
Gahahahahaha, for the answer to your prayers, see Vandal Hearts 2 and its horrifying characters. Doubly strange since the concept art is actually good, unlike the outrageous in-game character portraits.
Shame about SH2, since SH1's looked so cool (finally about to find a Japanese copy). On a related note, I still can't believe that no one finds Tales of Eternia's characters as insane as I do (sorry, Rid ) ...middrift bearing hero and unattractivegreen haired heroine in a proper skirt? You must be kidding. Long live this ugly barbarian, even though you'll never kill Ares!
edit: sspellign. Also, first pic of Farah from the anime was too flattering.
人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は．．．
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| Pollyanna 944th Post
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| "Re(3):Shadow Hearts From the New World" , posted Thu 24 Mar 12:57
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For me, it's not because I consider him ugly (I've seen worse), I just don't like him.
That's sort of a better explanation for me as well. It's not that I necessarily dislike all ugly characters, but...his character isn't appealing, visually, or otherwise. I have this problem with a lot of American and European games. They're thematicaly or aesthetically offensive to me. Even if something looks GOOD, that doesn't mean I LIKE the way it looks. On the other hand, sometimes I like things that look bad.
Kratos says "This game is not for you! It's for a different crowd!" to me. Maybe if I didn't play SO many other games, I'd play it, but I'm too busy to bother. If a friend gets it maybe I'll watch them play and see if it manages to charm me.
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| Iggy 6141th Post
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| "Want some tea?" , posted Fri 25 Mar 01:34
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I think I get what you're saying. I thought the same thing, really... kind of surprised.
On that subject... I think anyone who has a more than moderate interest in videogames today, especially if he/she has access to both Japanese and US market (or even only the Japanese one, which is my case and plays a big part into why I'm not interest in this US game : I won't be able to play it) has to his/her disposition a vast catalog of games that might interest him/her that he/she hasn't played.
There are too many games, and you can't have enough money or time to play them all. Therefore, you have to make choices that can't be reasonable. You chose them by their age (for example, you won't play games that are a few years old and only play some new games, or the opposite), or you would play only obscure games, play only games of this or that particular editor (Capcom, Konami, Nintendô, etc), play only popular games, etc.
Some people, for example the IC crowd you’re mistaking this board for, will only play games where they feel they can brag about how artsy it is, even though they don't have the slightest clue of what "art" is. Let's notice they've recently overcome that particular limitation by achieving a state where they can talk artsy about virtually anything, including Silent Hill 4.
Here, the crowd isn't half as homogenous, but I think a core group of fags like me, Polly, Nate or exodus have decided one of their most important criterions would be the fashion. The reason is that you need to have a few arbitrary criterion, and we are superficial people. We don’t want games to shaken our conception of the world and turn the very bases of gaming upside down, because… well, we have enough education to be able to find this kind of emotions elsewhere. For us, games have to achieve a much more important goal: to provide us with ideas on what to wear next fall.
I'll speak for myself. I've been recently in a "lets see all those famous things I've missed in recent years" mood. I've spend my extremely rare hours of leisure since February on Oreshika, a 1999(?) PS1 game; at the same time, I bought Mojipittan which I barely touched even though I loved it (except the time that asshole told me I was a kogyaru), and Shadow Hearts, because everyone talked about this series and I was curious about it. (Actually, I didn't have enough time in 2 month to even open the box, so I guess I'm technically still curious about it). My reason to choose it over Avachu/Devil Tuna was that I never played Kudelka, but I had already played several Megaten-related games; I chose "novelty" over "net praise".
In April, my world will stop spinning when Minstrel Song will be released, and I will play it until I collapse in my own filth. Not because of novelty, but because I'm faithful to the Saga brand (read : "have been brainwashed by it", like others by KOF) and also because I'm dead certain it's going to be flawed masterpiece like every Saga game (note : Frontier never existed) and it's a game too deep to trust anyone's opinion beside my own.
Then, in May, I'll sell my few hours of freedom to NxC, even though it's a shameless marketing pimped whore of a game, even though it will be utterly deprived of any remote quality, because, well, I’m that weak.
Summer will be the time of more low profile games, with hopefully Zettai Zetsumei Toshi 2, Minna Daisuki KM or that banchô game by Spike. Or even Killer 7! Who knows?
Basically, what I mean is : if you are surprised people here aren’t interested in this or that particular game, you’ll have to explain to each category of MMCer what it has that makes it more interesting than the other game those persons want to play.
In my particular case, even if I could play the game, I don’t see what it has over any of the games I’ve listed.
Is it more fashionable than Avachu or Shadow Heart? No.
Does it ask questions as interesting as Minstrel? I don’t think so.
Is it as shamelessly commercial as NxC? Why would it?
Will it be as original as my summer games or Oreshika? Haha.
Is it as clever as Mojipittan? Of course not.
So, come on, your turn. What did you expect us to answer?
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| Mosquiton 1557th Post
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| "Want some tea?" , posted Fri 25 Mar 02:37:
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Basically, what I mean is : if you are surprised people here aren’t interested in this or that particular game, you’ll have to explain to each category of MMCer what it has that makes it more interesting than the other game those persons want to play.
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So, come on, your turn. What did you expect us to answer?
I'm not talking about God of War in particular. Actually, I'm nowhere near as impressed with the game as most critics seem to be.
But having been hanging around this board for years, I had the impression that a lot of people here are more interested in how a game plays/feels than how it looks.
And hey, surprised is not necessarily 'shocked and appalled', you know. And when I say 'whatever floats one's boat' I mean it, genuinely.
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Here, the crowd isn't half as homogenous... The reason is that you need to have a few arbitrary criterion, and we are superficial people. We don’t want games to shaken our conception of the world and turn the very bases of gaming upside down, because… well, we have enough education to be able to find this kind of emotions elsewhere.
I'd thought that some people here thought differently. Thanks for the correction!
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Is it more fashionable than Avachu or Shadow Heart? No.
Does it ask questions as interesting as Minstrel? I don’t think so.
Is it as shamelessly commercial as NxC? Why would it?
Will it be as original as my summer games or Oreshika? Haha.
Is it as clever as Mojipittan? Of course not.
Oh wait, no, it's the same Iggy.
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| Iggy 6142th Post
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| "Yeah, I'm thirsty as well." , posted Fri 25 Mar 06:30
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I'd thought that some people here thought differently. Thanks for the correction!
Oh god.
I've read this article again lately, and oh god it's terrible. I really couldn't explain anything right, it has no construction... Ugh.
So, let's imagine this article never existed and you just said "hey ! but I thought you liked Siren" or something like this, shall we?
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Hey ! but I thought you liked Siren!
Oh, that's a very good question, thank you for asking.
Uggh... Well, actually, no, I don't know what to answer. That's a shitty question. And there isn't even a question mark on it.
I hate you.
Either way. Siren is not a work of art. It's a clever game, it's a good game that entertained me more than anything I've played on PS2, it has the best scenario I've ever seen in a game, and that's it. There is no trace of "art" in Siren, "art" in the most restrictive meaning of it. Siren is all 芸, "art" in the broadest meaning, without the philosophical subtext.
So, I love Siren because the writer is brilliant and the game, as a game, is brilliant. The emotions it gives are those you have with the best horror story and the best survival game. It is not the emotion you can have with a work of art that touches you. Where is the contradiction with what I was saying?
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Oh wait, no, it's the same Iggy.
I'm not sure about how to understand this...
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| Mosquiton 1558th Post
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| "Ah, that tea was just what I needed." , posted Fri 25 Mar 07:28
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Ah, so it turns out it was just a misunderstanding. I feel much better after that cup of tea.
But about what I was saying, I really respect your reasons for liking the particular games you like. I think I feel the same way, really.
I really don't think you're missing out on anything by avoiding God of War. For people obsessed with action game design, it might be worth checking out... and I can't honestly say that I think it's a bad game, but I much prefer DMC3, personally.
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| nobinobita
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| "God of War Concept Art" , posted Fri 25 Mar 08:59
I was at EB today and i saw a "making of" video for God of War. Part of it showed some concept art for the game, and most of it was really awesome! I mean, they had some really cool looking designs on their hands, but they ended up chosing the lamest one (mountain dew swilling skin head with tattoos). It still looked cool in the concept art though, so i think the real problem with the game lies in how the models were executed.
Like everyone else here, i really don't like how the game looks. It's real ugly looking to me, and not cos its not pretty, but because i think it was poorly executed. I wonder though, if it's because i'm just biased against American games after being raised on japanese console games.
It's just, there's something about most American games that throws me off. They don't look complete to me. They tend to have lanky characters who's limbs look obviously stuck on at the joints (see God of War, Splinter Cell, GTA etc), and they ussually have awful color schemes with the saturation turned waaaay up.
I think this will change in the coming years though, as more talented american youths enter the videogame world. I think the main reason that japanese games look more professional is that some of the best artists in Japan end up in games, while the best artists in America tend to work in movies. Things should even out in a few years though. My only fear is that American gamers might be acclimated to, and even prefer ugly American style games (like Jak and Daxter or Everquest).
I'm not saying that all games should look Japanese, or that all American games look bad (Doom 3, Halflife 2, Chronicles of Riddick, and even Kya had really cool graphics), just that there's still alot of room for improvement in most American made games.
I think things are improving already. For instance, the artist Feng Zhu worked on the game Blood Rayne 2, which was real tacky looking. But the game did well enough, and he moved on to Guild Wars, where i'm guessing he had more creative freedom, cos it looks really cool. I think there are tons of talented and skilled artists in America, working in games, they just need more chances to flex their muscles.
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| deisied 304th Post
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| "Re(1):Flawless victory you say?" , posted Fri 25 Mar 10:37
Well, that was one of my favorite Iggy posts ever and was certainly satisfyingly honest. If that came from anywhere else in any other way it could've easily bothered the hell out of me, but that was really cool. So yeah, I understand exactly what you mean, and videogames punching me in the face is something I personally need out of them, and a lot of my passion for them ties in with that fact. In some respects I wish some people could look at things more my way, if only because I think even the people who only fit games into their life where they can would be able to be truly shaken up if the industry didn't get so shy and stale at times. At any rate, it's just interesting to me because I find myself encompassing a great deal of perspectives, and minus the exclusivity, I see these games in the way you do too (minus me you know, wearing the stuff...though I might if I could) but that's just one layer for me. I guess it's because I have so much of myself able to be filled up by this stupid hobby.
Anyway, I don't see God of War particularly surprising me or anything. Like I said, I just feel an action game responsibility for being famimilar with the way the game plays, and moving on with the situation. I will say that I don't exactly think the game as a whole looks bad, mostly just Kratos, a boring ass Mortal Kombat looking character. I don't go out of my way to identify with the guy I have to move around though, which is a good thing for me, because it'd be kinda hard to be surprised by any if I did.
At any rate, to reply more directly, what did I expect you to say? Well, you explained that I was slightly misappropriately wrapping this in with the IC crowd, which you're very much right about, so maybe I couldn't really expect anything. I don't worry about every insinuation made by who the DOA girls are, and I understand why there'd be no reason to. I play shmups and fighters and classics like all you guys do, and short of Tim Rogers' articles, who the hell sees world shattering truths in those things? It's just, I have been playing these things all my life, and I do lose sleep thinking about them, and what people say about them. At some point seeing people talk about and making decisions based off how gay Tidus is (by American standards), and how dirty Kratos is (by Japanese standards) begins to wear on my mind.
More importantly. That was a good ass cup of tea. Thanks. Time for some sushi.
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| KTallguy 579th Post
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| "Kratos... psh..." , posted Fri 25 Mar 11:59
Every PC Rpger knows that 'The Nameless One' from Planescape Torment is the Ugliest protagonist in the world.
'He's so PRETTY!'
And personally, I don't get my fashion tips from games at all. It'd be too expensive...
I like games kind of like movies in a way. There are some movies that can move you, make you question life, existance, yourself, what's around you. There are also games like that. And then there are movies where there are mind bending explosions, awesome special effects, great action scenes, even humor, but void of other, deeper content. There are games like that too. I think it really depends on your mood and what you are accustomed to... I like both types, but typically the ones that 'move' me are the ones that I will remember.
Of course, if you can mix the two sides in a good way (MGS3), then you have an epic. =)
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| Iggy 6145th Post
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| "Flawless victory I said" , posted Fri 25 Mar 19:21
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in my neverending hair experimentation journey.
pix plz.
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I took that cup of tea as an acknowledgement that you had misunderstood me as well... now I'm offended.
Ah well, I know you feel the confusion stirring deep in your soul.
You're not allowed to be offended. The rules don't allow it.
Also, I have no soul, so your last argument is not valid.
Objection rejected.
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MOK-KOS May Cry
I would play it. It would be unbalanced indeed, but not the way you think: it would be a reverse Musô game, where you have a croud of thousands of guys that just run to MOK-KOS and get slaughtered by it without any chance for you to win.
I still hope MOK-KOS will be the hidden boss of NxC. After all, the scenario is tied to Xenosaga.
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I play shmups and fighters and classics like all you guys do, and short of Tim Rogers' articles, who the hell sees world shattering truths in those things? It's just, I have been playing these things all my life, and I do lose sleep thinking about them, and what people say about them.
One day, when Chaz will tie me up to my chair and beat me recklessly with a lead pipe until I do it, I'll write an essay about why I liked U:Saga and how the RS series changed my life.
Until then, I'll just say I feel the same way about playing games all my life and losing sleep playing them, but, on the other hand, what people can say about them do not touch me.
I mean, hey, I like U:Saga.
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| Krzyzewski Man 1072th Post
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| "Re(7):God of War" , posted Fri 8 Apr 07:30
BUMP BECAUSE I CARE
Oh, and I found out why Kratos is chalk white (spoilers abound):
Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
The Father of the Gods Zeus, comes to Earth and seduces a woman..fathering a son. However Zeus forbids the mother from ever telling anyone, and places a curse upon her should she even attempt it. Shunned from her home for bearing a bastard child out of wedlock, she and her son Kratos flee to Sparta where they continue on with their lives. Kratos's mother has another child and Kratos gets a brother.
However in Sparta the strong children are taken and trained to become soldiers to protect their country. While the weak children are sent to the mountains to die. Kratos and his brother were seperated, and was Kratos then trained to become a warrior, his brother left for dead.
And a warrior he did become. A ruthless and cold hearted soldier his lust for power dominating. He starts a command of just 50 soldiers but it quickly grows into the thousands. His tactics were very brutal but very effective. An almost unstoppable force. Kratos is feared by everyone, everyone that is but his wife and child.
However Kratos' lust for conquest would spell his demise, when they encountered a Barbarian army that vastly outnumbered Kratos's. The Barbarians slaughtered his army with their sheer numbers within hours and just when Kratos himself was about to be killed he, in a desperate plea, called out to the Gods, out to Ares the God of War offering to surrender himself fully to Ares if he but saved him from his demise.
Ares seeing the makings of a God in this mortal man descends from the heavens destroying all of the Barbarian Horde...he then makes Kratos his warrior servant, bestowing upon Kratos the Blades of Chaos, blades forged in the depths of Hades, forever bound and seared to Kratos's arms.
In the name and servitude of Ares, Kratos became a pure beast, destroying all armies, women, and children alike with no remorse. But in a act of most cruel trickery by his Master, to sever all ties to his former humanity..Kratos was sent to topple a town. Him and his army mercilessly slaughter the entire village, when the rage of Ares and the blood of Kratos's victims settled Kratos came to a horrible discovery..he discovered that Ares had him kill his own wife and child. At that moment, Kratos swore to take his revenge upon the God of War, he would serve the God no longer..
Before leaving the town the old Oracle of the village placed a curse upon Kratos, that his skin would bear the ashes of his wife and child to forever mark him for what he had done. Kratos' skin became white as ash and he had become known as the Ghost of Sparta...
End of Spoiler
I know that a Chao dies whenever someone says it, but thanks, Gamefaqs.
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"Re(7):God of War" , posted Wed 23 Mar 17:16
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