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| shin ramberk
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|  "Re(1):mystery of Justice Gakuen" , posted Tue 29 Mar 08:03
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You know, in light of Kyouko's glorious victory in the competition, it's reminded me to be puzzled about why Capcom hasn't focused on making a modern Justice Gakuen game. It seems to have a small but intense following in the States and Japan (maybe more so in Japan? I don't really know), enough for Capcom to at least make Moero! Justice Gakuen/Project Justice.
Given that Soul Calibur and Tekken seem to be the thing these days, it makes me wonder why Capcom hasn't tried to take this clever cast of characters that have already been translated into 3D and make them into an epic modern fighter. The personalities are strong enough to make an interesting scenario, especially after the life sim modes on PSOne, and it seems like it ought to be worth doing if Capcom's shying away from 2D for the moment at least. Is the Justice team still at Capcom, I wonder?
This is only an educated guess, based on what's happened to Capcom in the last ten years, but I think Capcom has ignored Project Justice because (a) its not a popular enough series and (b) Capcom is a mess.
So lets tackle the first part of my explanation. Well, simply Project Justice has a very loyal fan base, its a cult hit. But thats not enough. Capcom could easily put out a sequel or fresh update on a sensible production budget and make a profit on the game but I think Capcom is INCAPABLE of this because Capcom is in a mess.
Why is Capcom in a mess? I think its because they have grown too big. The 1990's was an insanely succesful decade for Capcom. But that success has made Capcom fat, unoriginal, bland, stupid and slow.
In the last few years we haven't had an original idea from Capcom. We've had a hundred repackaged, resold, re-ported titles. Capcom cut out of the arcade. They've cut back on research and development. They've lost a lot of money on big budget games. They've made ton of bad exclusivity deals. Their new games are either sequels or bland/unexciting new games. There is no hype around Capcom. Capcom is like a corpse that looks like a living person.
So there you have it. Thats why no more Project Justice. Thats why Capcom has scaled back so much because they were spending money like water and getting little results. I can't even predict what the hell Capcom is going to do next except make more Rockman games.
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| DarkZero 1179th Post
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| "Re(4):mystery of Justice Gakuen" , posted Tue 29 Mar 13:00
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I actually suspect there will be a PSP version.
And why is that?
I think this is sort of likely, too. With portables, the threshold for new games seems to be a lot lower. I get the feeling that if a Japanese game designer has a wacky idea, such as, for instance, "Let's make Metal Gear Solid a card game!" or "How about a Megaman RPG?", they seem a lot more likely to happen on the PSP or GBA/DS. So if someone at Capcom ever asks, "WTF happened to the Justice Gakuen series?", the answer will be "You can make it a PSP game if you want."
The GBA was the real savior of 2D games that were no longer considered good ideas on the PS2, like new Castlevania sequels in the vein of SotN. The PSP or the Nintendo DS will probably be the savior of similar 3D games. However, at $40 or $50 a pop, the threshold for PSP games might be a lot higher than GBA games.
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| KTallguy 587th Post
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| "Re(2):mystery of Justice Gakuen" , posted Tue 29 Mar 13:31:
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Why is Capcom in a mess? I think its because they have grown too big. The 1990's was an insanely succesful decade for Capcom. But that success has made Capcom fat, unoriginal, bland, stupid and slow.
In the last few years we haven't had an original idea from Capcom. We've had a hundred repackaged, resold, re-ported titles. Capcom cut out of the arcade. They've cut back on research and development. They've lost a lot of money on big budget games. They've made ton of bad exclusivity deals. Their new games are either sequels or bland/unexciting new games. There is no hype around Capcom. Capcom is like a corpse that looks like a living person.
Well, they took a lot of chances and a lot of them ended up failing, sadly. I mean, the new Biohazard, Viewtiful Joe, P.N.09, Killer 7... those are chances right?
I do admit that I'm not too happy with them lately but... eh... I do see a force within Capcom trying to do something good. They are kind of getting bloated...
Edit: I second another JG game, and make sure that there is still a good story!!!
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| EternalNewbie
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| "Re(3):mystery of Justice Gakuen" , posted Tue 29 Mar 15:40
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Why is Capcom in a mess? I think its because they have grown too big. The 1990's was an insanely succesful decade for Capcom. But that success has made Capcom fat, unoriginal, bland, stupid and slow.
In the last few years we haven't had an original idea from Capcom. We've had a hundred repackaged, resold, re-ported titles. Capcom cut out of the arcade. They've cut back on research and development. They've lost a lot of money on big budget games. They've made ton of bad exclusivity deals. Their new games are either sequels or bland/unexciting new games. There is no hype around Capcom. Capcom is like a corpse that looks like a living person.
Well, they took a lot of chances and a lot of them ended up failing, sadly. I mean, the new Biohazard, Viewtiful Joe, P.N.09, Killer 7... those are chances right?
I do admit that I'm not too happy with them lately but... eh... I do see a force within Capcom trying to do something good. They are kind of getting bloated...
Edit: I second another JG game, and make sure that there is still a good story!!!
Well, I am all for another JG game also, but I don't think Capcom has been doing too bad of a job lately. I found Resident Evil 4, Viewtiful Joe (the first one, and to a lesser extent, the second one), and the Megaman/Rockman Zero series to be quite enjoyable. That, and I am looking foward to them bringing Gyakuten Saiban stateside. However, when it comes to their fighting games, I do admit they really need to fix themselves in that area. Its been a while since they made a fighting game that has 'wow'ed people. The problem is probably their rehashing of old-game sprites and engines. I mean, Capcom Fighting Jam was ok, but nothing really new (except Ingrid, who I was happy to see finally get in a game). They really just need to do an all-out redone sequel to either the Vampire series, the Street Fighter series, or the Justice Gakuen series. Like, new sprites/models everywhere, new story with around 4 to 6 new characters, and either new or finely retuned old fighting engine. Either that, or they should just try and make a new series, although I am a bit scared what they might think up at this point. On a complete side note, I was always surprised Capcom never did a Megaman/Rockman fighting game. They have enough whacky ass characters to throw into the mix and beat the hell out of each other. Of course, they would need to take out one weapon of one character raping another character to death easily part. That would definately hurt balance... Oh well, just a childhood dream of mine and nothing more.
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| Iggy 6172th Post
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| "Re(1):mystery of Justice Gakuen" , posted Tue 29 Mar 16:21
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It seems to have a small but intense following in the States and Japan (maybe more so in Japan? I don't really know)
I really wonder how it can be popular in the states without the two dating sims and the board game. Really, in all three cases the fighting game felt like an amusing bonus to the other one. It was... OK at best, I think?
Either way, Edayan is gone, so a sequel won't happen before long (he left dozens of unused designs though). Also, Capcom can't take risks anymore with all the money they owe to their godfathers.
The game will follow the same path as Vampire ; they just leave it there, then when they will think the fans are starving enough, they will release the 3 games with a "The legendary game... RETURNS!" and voilą.
But I think they'll make a SFZero compilation before. Also, the fact the first game was on... I don't know what board, the second on PSone and the third on Naomi/DC will make the total port quite difficult if they only hire 3 guys again. So, yeah, PSP.
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| EternalNewbie
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| "Re(5):mystery of Justice Gakuen" , posted Tue 29 Mar 16:23
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There was that Mega Man arcade game where you fight the bosses from a bunch of Mega Man games (Mega Man: The Power Battle, and it apparently had a sequel too). That always felt like a fighter to me, even though it was nothing more than the boss fights from the regular games with nicer graphics. Lots of fun though.
True, it was pretty fun, especially with two players. But aside from Bass, you couldn't play as any of the bad guys. I've always wanted to play as some of the cooler robot masters. Plus, had they made one later, they could have put Mavericks from the X series in there. Finally, a chance to play as Storm Eagle and... uhhhh... Vile! He was cool. Anyway, before I ramble off a made up character list, I will wrap it up. That is all.
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| DarkZero 1180th Post
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| "Re(4):mystery of Justice Gakuen" , posted Tue 29 Mar 18:02
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Well, I am all for another JG game also, but I don't think Capcom has been doing too bad of a job lately. I found Resident Evil 4, Viewtiful Joe (the first one, and to a lesser extent, the second one), and the Megaman/Rockman Zero series to be quite enjoyable.
I don't think anyone was contending that RE4, VJ, or Megaman Zero sucked. They just meant that they sold poorly. Really, really poorly. This is mostly due to the fact that RE4 and VJ are both on a console that's ranked number 3 (of 3!) in America and number 2 (of 2, since the Xbox isn't taken seriously) in Japan. And Megaman Zero is so hard that you can't really consider it a kids' game in the same sense as Pokemon or Mario, which is a very, very bad thing on the GBA, as much as people like us may like it.
I know someone's going to think I'm bashing Nintendo when I say this, but Capcom bravely ignored common sense and marketing data and released an adult horror game (RE4) and an uber-hard game (VJ) on the GameCube. Predictably, it bit them in the ass.
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| "Re(6):mystery of Justice Gakuen" , posted Tue 29 Mar 18:49
Even being a fan of 2D first, I think there is a lot's of licences that Capcom wasted.
Justice gakuen, is one of them, so do Star gladiator.
Especialy that now, it won't be so hard or expensive to make a sequel, for SG for example, they only need to buy SC2 graphic engine and to make one or three new faces and voila. the game won't loock dull graphicaly, and his 2D gameplay will make him a bit more original than VF, TK5, SC2...
An other poor licence is Power Stone, with more work and more gold, it was original enough to become something else than a button masher...
Well Iggy said it, Capcom won't take a risk...Now the question is why didn't they try to get those game maker back sometimes...
Are they 25874% blind and deaf to fans comments??
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Universe and Human stupidity...Well for the universe I'm not sure....
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| Sano 1640th Post
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| "Re(3):Ah!" , posted Wed 30 Mar 05:29:
In the US Rival Schools as we call it virtually has no fan base, no tourney play and so on. I think more people know about this franchise more then Star Gladiator though. And yeah, it's difficult for Capcom to make a sequel to this since all of the people behind the game are gone and they have never had a succesful 3D Fighter the likes of Virtua Fighter, Tekken, Soul Calibur, and what have you. When people in the US ask for a sequel to one of Capcom's fighting franchises, it's always Street Fighter, then Marvel vs. Capcom 3 (not gonna happen), CVS 3 (not gonna happen) and then sometimes Darkstlakers. You don't hear of too many requests for an RS sequel.
The only franchise of the above I suspect they'll continue is Street Fighter. Not sure if Capcom USA will be the one to make it since they have the rights, but it's pretty much the only series that they didn't say "We will never make a sequel to it." or one of the games they said they wanted to make a sequel too but found it difficult since the original creators were gone.
But overall, due to successes like Resident Evil(Bio Hazzard), Devil May Cry and other 3D franchises, the demands for sequels of these games are higher than anything else and they do bring in a lot of money and given Capcom's financial troubles, it's to be expected that they'd do what they are doing. A new RS game is going to be a money loosing venture if it can't compete with Tekken or Virtua Figher, and their last attempt at a 3D Fighter CFAS was so bad it stopped before it started. Capcom's not at the point where they can create a successful 3D fighting game franchise, they may never get there.
Personally RS is my favorite 3D fighter, but that's just me. If a sequel doesn't happen it won't bother me since it will be a sequel made by people who didn't make the original, prolly won't be the same. I'm still kind of scared of the concept of Capcom USA making a sequel to SF but I'll take it since I'd like to see SF4 in my lifetime.
Ryu and Chun-Li forever!
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| Sano 1641th Post
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| "Re(2):Re(10):mystery of Justice Gakuen" , posted Wed 30 Mar 06:10:
Seems like whenever a Capcom Artist is absent for a while people think they left... Capcom's pretty free with their artists, lets them work on other stuff and come back. Kinu Nishimura worked on drawings for a novel called Faust with another Capcom female artist, Shinkiro provided a cover for a Spider-Man comic, Akiman provieded the charactr designs for Turn A Gundam, both Kinu and Akiman worked on Overking Gainer and so on. I think Bengus AKA CRMK worked on the the art for the online Resident Evil game, looks like his stuff, not 100% sure. Lots of people thought he left when he changed his name to CRMK, but he did the SFZ games, all of the Marvel crossovers are stuff he did afterwards. He did some drawings for the CVS series but not a lot.
Oh, and Kinu Nishimura is my favorite Capcom Artist. She did Cyberbots, LOVE! After her it's Akiman, CRMK/Bengus, Edayan and Sensei, the go to mecha guy.
Ryu and Chun-Li forever!
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"Re(8):mystery of Justice Gakuen" , posted Tue 29 Mar 21:58:
