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| Burning Ranger 1145th Post
 
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|  "Re(2):Sin City movie discussion thread." , posted Sun 3 Apr 07:47
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Absolutely fantastic. I haven't read any of the comics, so I can say that even as an outsider this movie is great. It exceeded all my expectations, and yeah, Marv's story was definitely the best. It may have seemed a little rushed, but the whole movie had a really fast pace to it, and I didn't mind at all. If anything, I was impressed by how fast they went into each story. They had hardly any introductions or backstory, but you never felt lost. Definitely a must-see.
I saw Sin City last night, and I wished I could have been a fan of the comic before. I loved the movie. Marv's segment (The Last Goodbye?) was my favorite. The Willis segment was okay but I didn't like the Big Fat Kill segment, though Clive Owen is a badass.
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| Undead Fred 2270th Post
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| "Re(3):Sin City movie discussion thread." , posted Sun 3 Apr 08:25
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Absolutely fantastic. I haven't read any of the comics, so I can say that even as an outsider this movie is great. It exceeded all my expectations, and yeah, Marv's story was definitely the best. It may have seemed a little rushed, but the whole movie had a really fast pace to it, and I didn't mind at all. If anything, I was impressed by how fast they went into each story. They had hardly any introductions or backstory, but you never felt lost. Definitely a must-see.
I saw Sin City last night, and I wished I could have been a fan of the comic before. I loved the movie. Marv's segment (The Last Goodbye?) was my favorite. The Willis segment was okay but I didn't like the Big Fat Kill segment, though Clive Owen is a badass.
Yep! I had a feeling it would have been really great if I had actually read the comics, so I went ahead and picked up That Yellow Bastard and The Hard Goodbye (Hartigan and Marv's sections) this last month so I'd actually be familiar with the source material this time. It was very very very true to the source material, and it was fun to watch as well.
But yeah, I said what I did about Marv's story, but his was my favorite portion of the movie (also my favorite character so far out of the graphic novels I had read). I think his part of the movie would have been perfect if it was just paced out a LITTLE longer.
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| Baines
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| "Re(4):Sin City movie discussion thread." , posted Sun 3 Apr 10:09
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I think his part of the movie would have been perfect if it was just paced out a LITTLE longer.
Marv is a fan favorite, and is possibly one of the most recognized Sin City characters. It isn't strange to want a bit more with him.
As for the movie itself, I thought it wouldn't be that great. After seeing it, I'm not sure what to say. It isn't a movie for everyone. I liked it. Pretty much anyone who liked the graphic novels should like it. It should be decent enough for people who've never seen the novels, if they are the right people for this kind of movie.
And it is perhaps as close and true a comic adaptation as is possible, without even sucking. You can probably match movie frames to novel panels with startling accuracy, but it is a movie that doesn't really feel constrained by its source.
My only real complaint is that some scenes, even with the b&w view, still look too fake for even the stylized goal. Just a few action scenes, and it doesn't really hurt the movie.
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| Sano 1662th Post
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| "Make sure you sit through the ending credits!" , posted Sun 3 Apr 10:23
I thought the movie was excellent. Five thmbs up! That's two thumbs up, to big toes up, and as for the other thumb... um, well, lots of good looking women! They even somehow managed to make Gilmore Girl Rory look hott!
If you sit through to the ending credits, the movie gives special thanks to a lot of comic book greats. Such as Milton Canniff, Will Eisner, Jack Kirby and Joe Kubert. You gotta love that!
So far it's a toss up for me which movie I like better, this or Constantine. Both were really good comic book movies in 2005. Ah well, it's like comparing apples and oranges.
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| DarkZero 1186th Post
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| "Re(1):Make sure you sit through the ending cr" , posted Sun 3 Apr 20:37
Saw it tonight and it was probably the best movie I've seen since Kill Bill. Loved the characters, the noir touches, the effects... the whole thing. My favorite story was definitely Dwight McCarthy's, which one of my friends and I very adamantly agreed upon, but everyone else seems to disagree with. I think it depends just as much on your own personal style as the strength of the story.
And I definitely wish I had found these graphic novels years ago. Now I'm going to feel like kind of a poser when I go and buy them, but they're just damned excellent. Speaking of that, I should probably pick up Hellboy some day. But anyway, I had a question:
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Was Josh Hartnett's character actually in the graphic novels or was he just a touch for the movie? And if he was from the graphic novels, was he ever explored upon more, or did he just pop in occasionally like he did in the movie? As I look back on the movie, I'm kinda surprised to find that two of my favorite scenes A) involved Josh Hartnett (who knew that he and Jessica Alba could act?), B) were completely tangential to the rest of the plot, and C) were like two or three minutes long each. Something about the opening and ending with him were just really cool.
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| Undead Fred 2276th Post
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| "Re(1):~!" , posted Mon 4 Apr 07:32:
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And... what was up with the swastika-shaped ninja star things?
I was waiting for this one... it's a manji. Symbol of good luck.
EDIT: Oh yeah, so I don't double post...
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I can't wait for the DVD, which will allow you to see each individual story as it was done in the graphic novels. Which means scenes that had to be pulled to maintain story flow and pacing will be returned. So the scene of Marv visiting his mom to pick up 'Gladys' will be back.
Heh heh, yeah. I was a LITTLE disappointed they didn't play up that part of the movie a little... I thought it was funny that Marv almost has a relationship with his gun. It didn't hurt the movie to take it out, but I liked it anyway. I'd just be happy to see more in Marv's story period.
As for Ishmael's comments, I know what you mean- I really appreciated how faithful it was to the source material, but people that aren't familiar with the comic wouldn't really see it as compulsive (if I hadn't just recently read the comics, I would have never have known how close it was). I'm sure there were a LOT of people that had either never read the comic or forgotten about it by the time they had seen the movie. I do kind of wish they would have thrown in some more minor changes (just to switch things up just a little bit), but it was nice to see someone finally make a movie like that without completely taking a dump on the fans. Again, I had only just recently started reading the graphic novels, but I really enjoyed them, and it was great that the movie had respect for the source material. Especially since there were some really nice shots in the book that worked perfectly on-screen.
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| DarkZero 1187th Post
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| "Re(3):~!" , posted Mon 4 Apr 09:19
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As it was, the movie almost feels like a too faithful adaptation, like a Harry Potter movie or an overly earnest Bible film.
Honestly, to the people who haven't read the comics, I think it just feels like Pulp Fiction or Kill Bill. It's written in pretty much the same format, with different "chapters" taking place in different time periods. And while one segment or another might have seemed kind of superfluous, it seems like everyone has a different idea of which story was more important than the others, which gives me the feeling that the balance that was struck between them was pretty much perfect. I felt that Dwight's story seemed a little rushed and that Marv's was a little long, but others felt that Dwight's story was kind of pointless, or that Hartigan's went on too long. So even though none of us are 100% satisfied with it, it seems like it's the best it could be.
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| Undead Fred 2277th Post
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| "Re(4):~!" , posted Mon 4 Apr 14:59
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Honestly, to the people who haven't read the comics, I think it just feels like Pulp Fiction or Kill Bill. It's written in pretty much the same format, with different "chapters" taking place in different time periods. And while one segment or another might have seemed kind of superfluous, it seems like everyone has a different idea of which story was more important than the others, which gives me the feeling that the balance that was struck between them was pretty much perfect. I felt that Dwight's story seemed a little rushed and that Marv's was a little long, but others felt that Dwight's story was kind of pointless, or that Hartigan's went on too long. So even though none of us are 100% satisfied with it, it seems like it's the best it could be.
Very true. I know I've brought up a few "if only they did this" points, but it's really just nitpicky stuff. I thought they did a great job with the movie, but I would have thought it was pretty much perfect if they would have added just a little more and tweaked it. But I'm still very satisfied with the movie (I've been wanting to see it again since I saw it on Friday... heh heh).
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| Ishmael 1928th Post
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| "Re(4):~!" , posted Tue 5 Apr 10:23
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Honestly, to the people who haven't read the comics, I think it just feels like Pulp Fiction or Kill Bill. It's written in pretty much the same format, with different "chapters" taking place in different time periods. And while one segment or another might have seemed kind of superfluous, it seems like everyone has a different idea of which story was more important than the others, which gives me the feeling that the balance that was struck between them was pretty much perfect. I felt that Dwight's story seemed a little rushed and that Marv's was a little long, but others felt that Dwight's story was kind of pointless, or that Hartigan's went on too long. So even though none of us are 100% satisfied with it, it seems like it's the best it could be.
That's a good point, there's no real consensus on what worked in the movie and what could have been done differently. Not only does that show that there's no real weak part of the movie but has more to do with personal tastes but it also shows just how stuffed the movie is.
One comment I've heard from a couple of people concerns just how breakneck the pace of the film is. The movie never seems to take a break and is always throwing crazy at you. Some of this has to do with the source material but I do wonder if some of it was a conscious decision by Rodriguez due to the way he was making the movie. A comic book noir movie filmed in fake black and white against green screens; a conservative reading of the potential audience suggests that's not the type of movie that people are going to line up to see. I wonder if Rodriguez kept the pace of the movie up out of concern that the audience might get hung up on the way the film looks or the Philip Marlowe-esqe dialogue? It's a testament to how well the film was put together, as well as how sophisticated the average movie goer actually is, that Sin City is a success.
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| Click 573th Post
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| "Re(8):~!" , posted Wed 6 Apr 09:42:
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I do wonder how much it cost to make. There are a lot of salaries to pay, though some are people who are known but still not perhaps expensive, and a few might just have been interested in being in the movie... And how much was the cost of the computer work... *shrug*
I'd love to know myself. The thing is, Rodriguez apparently did the effects himself, along with the music and editing. In his garage studio. [EDIT: Apparently a company called Hybride did the CG work, so I suppose Rodriguez did the colorization and compositing, or maybe not the compositing... I'm starting to confuse myself.]
Check out this excellent article.
Pretty fantastic stuff. This is the real way to make films.
It brings to mind another question, though... The article makes me think that he may have done Spy Kids simply for the money, to finance future projects... like, conveniently, Sin City. I mean, I'm not overly familiar with the guy, but Spy Kids kinda sticks like like a sore thumb compared to the rest of his stuff.
Maybe....
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| Mosquiton 1578th Post
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| "Re(9):~!" , posted Wed 6 Apr 21:25
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This Box Office Mojo article has answers to a lot of the questions asked in this thread. Fortunately, it looks like the movie will be very profitable, because it only cost $40 million to make. Unfortunately, however, it looks like they're expecting a huge drop-off next week due to the demographics involved. Then again, one of the films it was compared to was Hellboy, which Sin City is projected to be very similar to in terms of box office revenue. Hellboy was successful enough to warrant a director's cut DVD release, a special edition DVD release, and a sequel.
I wonder what affect word of mouth is going to have (I convinced my parents to go see it this weekend, hah).
Also, I want to shoot "Fever Pitch" in the face.
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