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| Stifu
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|  "Re(1):SS AW next month ? [rumor]" , posted Tue 12 Apr 00:37
Heh, that's interesting...
Hmm, about SSZ and SSZS... There were beta tests just a few months before the games would be released, right ?
That might mean SSAW isn't TOO far from being finished...?
Also... We heard the news about the new SSZS ("Perfect", "Final", whatever...) at the end of October 2004... So, if they made a new SS game, it had to be after SNKP stopped their plans for this game, I guess ?
That would mean Yuki has been working on SSAW for up to 5 months (max)... That doesn't sound impossible...
Either that OR this SS AW is actually a SSZS Perfect / Final on steroids for the Atomiswave, so Yuki's work on the MVS version of this game didn't go to waste.
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| Spoon 883th Post
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| "Re(3):SS AW next month ? [rumor]" , posted Tue 12 Apr 11:45
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If the game is indeed made by the guys behind SS0/S,
Of course, because it's going to be made FROM SS0/S, hence the (past) involvement of Yuki.
And of course Yuki will make the vastly improved version later, but SNKP won't allow that to see much release. Oh wait, I said that already. Eh.
I know, we all try to hide from what we know will be with our imaginations and hopes. But in the end, what is, is. And this is what will be.
Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
Yes, I'm a negative bastard. But SNKP gives me license to be so.
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| Pollyanna 1006th Post
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| "Re(6):SS AW next month ? [rumor]" , posted Wed 13 Apr 18:59
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I dont care about the graphisms, as long as they keep the game system untouched...
Then what do you want from the game? If they don't change the game system, but only change the graphics, then they will have created a game that relies only on graphics (which you don't care about). But if they rely on gameplay innovations, instead of new graphics, then they will have touched the game system and you will be unhappy?
I feel that they need a game system overhaul, not because SS0 was bad, but because it was so good. Sort of like how Capcom evolved Vampire, SF3 and Zero to a point then stopped. If they don't do something new, then it will be another KOF Neowave. They already made an excellent game (actually 2) with the previous system, so if you want that system, then you can play those games.
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| NARUTO 2985th Post
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| "Re(7):SS AW next month ? [rumor]" , posted Wed 13 Apr 19:42
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Then what do you want from the game? If they don't change the game system, but only change the graphics, then they will have created a game that relies only on graphics (which you don't care about). But if they rely on gameplay innovations, instead of new graphics, then they will have touched the game system and you will be unhappy?
I feel that they need a game system overhaul, not because SS0 was bad, but because it was so good. Sort of like how Capcom evolved Vampire, SF3 and Zero to a point then stopped. If they don't do something new, then it will be another KOF Neowave. They already made an excellent game (actually 2) with the previous system, so if you want that system, then you can play those games.
Seems I wasn't clear enought once again...>_<
Well what I mean is that they don't change what SS is, for exemple I don't wish to see it turned into a combo game like KOF for exemple.
If they modify/evolve the system, it's not a problem. As you said the Vampire serie have his system evolved, not changed! Unlike Morrigan in CVS2 who wasn't playable like in a Vampire game. got the trick? they can bring new things in the system but I don't want to see it Totaly changed...
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| beto 846th Post
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| "Re(7):SS AW next month ? [rumor]" , posted Wed 13 Apr 23:53
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Then what do you want from the game? If they don't change the game system, but only change the graphics, then they will have created a game that relies only on graphics (which you don't care about). But if they rely on gameplay innovations, instead of new graphics, then they will have touched the game system and you will be unhappy?
I feel that they need a game system overhaul, not because SS0 was bad, but because it was so good. Sort of like how Capcom evolved Vampire, SF3 and Zero to a point then stopped. If they don't do something new, then it will be another KOF Neowave. They already made an excellent game (actually 2) with the previous system, so if you want that system, then you can play those games.
You´re ignoring the fact that the "fans" never want anything to change. There´ll always be more people asking for another KOF98/ST/SS2 than people asking for something new.
They may even say they want change, but they really don´t. Like Naruto.
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| Iggy 6303th Post
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| "Even more rumors !" , posted Thu 14 Apr 18:23:
I'll give a 23.5% of reliability to this rumor, but since I like it, I'll put it here as well.
[rumor]
The complete name of the game would be Kenkyaku something (Kenkyaku Matsuri?)
The game would be the continuation of that mysterious Supisupe kanzenban. The computer is not as violent as in Supisupe, (no impossible reaction time).
No new character, everyone from SS0 (just some minor tweaks), no boss character from Supisupe. Several characters from older games would come back.
Their sprites would be new, the rest would be directly from SS0.
2 or 3 characters from the H64 Polysamu (Shiki's sprite is not SvC), no character from the PS1 Polysamu (w).
The button layout and system commands (like the D button actions and all) have changed a lot (because of the E button.)
The kenki gauge is still here, and another mysterious gauge as well.
The backgrounds use polygons are look far better than the sprites : KOF Nowave's nightmare is back, only it's worse this time because the sprites are even older.
The ability to kill you opponent is not here, but the blood effects are the same as in SS0.
There wouldn't be any story.
Some special moves would have transparency effects(w).
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I like this rumor, not because I trust it but because the rumor for Nowave was extremely optimistic, with 60 characters and what not, while this one is on the other extreme... It does say something of the SS community and what they want and hope.
If by pure chance some of this happens to be true, then the SS name would keep narrowing... I guess once they''l have everyone from the first SS to the last polysamu, they'll finally call the series dead and leave it sleep alone.
And, as they say, 描き直しで外したら絶命だよ
NARUTO : I want the series to get a perfect game, then it wouldn't have anymore sequels and remain dead. Supisupe could have made the deal, if they think they can top this with again some minor tweaks, let's leave them the opportunity to do so. I just don't want the series to be abandoned after a failure like the polysamu.
Also, special preview of the game !
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| Pollyanna 1008th Post
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| "Re(10):SS AW next month ? [rumor]" , posted Thu 14 Apr 19:02
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What I've said is that the basics of the game stay untouched... It have nothing with commands imput for exemple or specials moves and abilitys.
The SS serie is a game mostly based on hit and away somehow, with "dead times" not a rush game with long combo string possibility. They can change what they want as long as the basics, the fondation of the game stay intact. They can change the controls and buttons settings, new moves or actions, removes or modify the power bar system.... As long as SS stay a sword play with some exchange of 1 or 3 hit in some fast battle...that's what I mean...
Sorry I misunderstood you...and I totally agree.
I just...hate stagnation in the market. Companies don't want to take risks, because 2D fighters are risky in the first place (in terms of popularity, not cost)...but by taking no risks, they don't move the market forward. If it doesn't move forward, it doesn't gain popularity...and then the vicious cycle repeats.
KOF Neowave is the single most unecessary game I can think of and I don't want to see a repeat of that, especially since we already have a great SS product. (and people can play that, if that's what they want)
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| Stifu
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| "Re(2):Even more rumors !" , posted Thu 14 Apr 23:39
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Also, special preview of the game !
Awful controls... Especially on an Azerty keyboard. :p
Anyway, thanks for sharing the info, Iggy.
I know this is a mere rumor, but I'll comment anyway...
"no boss character from Supisupe."
Shit.
"Several characters from older games would come back."
Awesome.
"The backgrounds use polygons are look far better than the sprites : KOF Nowave's nightmare is back, only it's worse this time because the sprites are even older."
I can't see how it could be worse... I always thought SS sprites looked much better than KoF ones... Also, they're bigger... Just that they're shaded in an anime style, so if they're going to put 3D backgrounds, they'd better make them cell shaded so that they fit with the way sprites are colored, I think.
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| Stifu
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| "Re(4):Even more rumors !" , posted Fri 15 Apr 00:06
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Several characters from older games would come back.
Several ? Who's out? Ganryu, Cham Cham, Nico, Earthquake, Sieger... That's it, right ?
Who are you calling Ganryu ? Gen-An maybe ?
Anyway, the missing characters from SS2 are: Cham Cham, Nicotine, Sieger, Earthquake, Gen-An, Wan-Fu and Kuroko. That's 7...
Also, Iggy mentioned some SS64 characters would make the cut... That may explain the "several", since they're obviously not going to feature everyone from the 3D SS.
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| Iggy 6304th Post
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| "Re(4):Even more rumors !" , posted Fri 15 Apr 00:13:
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Several ? Who's out? Ganryu, Cham Cham, Nico, Earthquake, Sieger... That's it, right ?
EDIT : yeah, Wanfu... I never got his name right. And shame on me for forgetting GenAn chan.
Also, Morosumi Taisan, Shiki, Asura, that big Yagyû something karakurimaru, Gandara, the two deku, and Yuga, plus eventually other rasetsu forms that could get independant (at least Rasetsu Galford could be interesting). Or even Leon if they want to go to the unexpected nobody want to come back anyways.
Also, Yumeji (as a normal Rasetsu form of Ukyô) and 396 (as a normal character and not that horrible mess) are possible.
And if it is indeed the Kanzenban, then Kuroko will be there for sure.
But again, this is still an unreliable rumor.
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| Just a Person 713th Post
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| "Re(5):Even more rumors !" , posted Fri 15 Apr 10:25
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Several characters from older games would come back.
Several ? Who's out? Ganryu, Cham Cham, Nico, Earthquake, Sieger... That's it, right ?
Who are you calling Ganryu ? Gen-An maybe ?
Anyway, the missing characters from SS2 are: Cham Cham, Nicotine, Sieger, Earthquake, Gen-An, Wan-Fu and Kuroko. That's 7...
Also, Iggy mentioned some SS64 characters would make the cut... That may explain the "several", since they're obviously not going to feature everyone from the 3D SS.
I´m sorry, haven´t keeping up with the gaming news...
But is this true? A SS game with Cham Cham, Nicotine, Sieger, Kuroko, Gen-An, Wan-Fu, Earthquake, Shiki, Asura, Yuga and other missing fighters? Wow, it would be so nice!
You know, something I always wanted to see is how would it be having 2D versions (it can be with SNK´s old sprites) of SS64, SS64-2, and SS:Warriors Rage. Since SNK Playmore probably won´t do it, the special version you guys are talking about seems very nice!
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| Iggy 6309th Post
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| "Re(7):Even more rumors !" , posted Fri 15 Apr 16:15:
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Those three are the most hated characters in the SS series....
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│As few or as many as Nicotine or Chamcham!
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| NARUTO 2987th Post
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| "Re(2):Re(10):SS AW next month ? [rumor]" , posted Fri 15 Apr 18:32
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Sorry I misunderstood you...and I totally agree.
I just...hate stagnation in the market. Companies don't want to take risks, because 2D fighters are risky in the first place (in terms of popularity, not cost)...but by taking no risks, they don't move the market forward. If it doesn't move forward, it doesn't gain popularity...and then the vicious cycle repeats.
KOF Neowave is the single most unecessary game I can think of and I don't want to see a repeat of that, especially since we already have a great SS product. (and people can play that, if that's what they want)
No problem... I agree when you said that company didn't want to take risks. Still I'm sure the cost of the game is maybe an important point. After SF3rd most of the game have moved backwards technicaly...
Animation, graphisms and stuff, because somehow it shoud cost a lot and asks a lots of work.
So now company dodn't want to spend as much money as for exemple a Resident evil game, because THEY think it won't bring back the money.
Or As you said it's the story of a snake that bite his tail... If they didn't take some risks in the inovation or in the financial part game won't go forward anymore.
Hom many of us would like to see a new Vampire game, a new Samurai spirit or a Fatal fury, just well made. Those are major title like SF3rd or KOF, but with a minimum of works and a maximum of money they would surely make some better result comercial wise... Dunno if we can still make Capcom/SNK/whoever understand this....
Just look at the home port, today they only have 50% of the option, and special feature the the game used to have.
As for Wan-fu I'm a fan!!! Pillar head-butt all the way!
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| Iggy 6346th Post
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| "Damn !" , posted Wed 20 Apr 17:26
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Anyway, Iggy, you do have quite an influence... A couple of sites updated their news talking about this SS AW rumor just because you posted it, the same goes for other forums.
I don't know what site you're talking about, but I don't think it's a smart move. It's one thing when one random guy like me on a forum reports something that is going to end up false, it's another when you're supposed to be a serious website to post unverified news. Oh, well, why do I care of the credibility of sites I've never heard of.
Either way, so, the 22 rumor seems to have been started by that asshole of Banchô. Arg. He hasn't confessed yet, but...
The problem with SS0 is that we KNOW a Yuki employee is reading the thread. He posted the date of the first beta test of SS0 and Supisupe, and described the games before then ("there will be a samurai with 7 swords, a girl with a bow, a monster between Assquake and GenAn, an old guy, several rasetsu characters, the game will be closer to SSS, and some designs have been made by a special guest whose name will surprise you").
That's the reason why each time someone says "the game will be...", he's not immediatly called a fake and you have some people arguing wether they think it's the way of talking of the Yuki guy or not.
The rumor with the kenkyaku matsuri name has been said to be not by him (hense the "I don't trust it"), while another one (who says the game will be between SS0 and the first SS, have a scenario, everyone from SS0 (including Popy, 396 and Yumeji) beside Gaô and Yunfei, have Gen'an, Wanfu, Nicotine, a new sprite for Rasetsumaru closer from Polysamu, new kimoi frames of animation for Suija, Mina gone crazy after Champool's death, a surprise guest character from another game that doesn't belong to the SS universe, a cute guy with two swords with a kamae system (a first in SS, I think?), totally different from Jubei, a guy with a spear, and a tricky kunoichi) is said to be possibly the good guy.
I'm surprised by the combination of "it's not a matsuri, it has a scenario BUT Suija is still here" but indeed, making a new game with new characters seems more plausible. The other thing is that I've seen parts of the rumor on different sites (Rasetsumaru being redrawn is too surprising to not be noticed), and I don't know if a Yuki employee will go to each and every SS board to say those things... Also, 37 characters is a bit HUGE for a SS game.
Hum.
What is funny is that no, absolutely not a single rumor until now has said the game would have new sprites, everybody says it will use SS0's base. Like I said on my 2nd rumor, it does say something of the SS community.
Ah, also, for that Chamcham thing, I wanted to be sure before I said it, but the main reason why her comeback chances are axtremely scarce is that 2 of the 5 guys who worked on SS0 from the beginning dislike her and think she doesn't fit in the SS universe. That's as good a reason as anything else.
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| Stifu
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| "Re(1):Damn !" , posted Wed 20 Apr 18:20
Thanks for all those details.
As for the sites who posted the rumor, there's neo-arcadia and neogeoforlife, for instance... But they DID state it was just a rumor.
Despite those 2 guys out of 5 hating Cham Cham, they still put her at the end of Tam Tam's Zetsumei, which is something at least...
If this new SS AW is based on the SSZ or SSZS, I wish they would NOT take out characters from those games... It's not like it'd be such a bad thing if an AW game totally overshadowed a NeoGeo game. Bosses could be made hidden characters...
What I'm saying doesn't necessarily include Rasetsu clones though, I don't care as much about them... I know you like Suija and all, but I think he needs some more work done on him, like a couple of other characters.
Anyway... I'm watching the samurai-zero.jp site daily just in case some info would pop up... Maybe Yuki will use another site though, since the next SS is probably not going to be a "Zero" one. We'll see.
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| CHAZumaru
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| "Re(3):Damn !" , posted Wed 20 Apr 22:01:
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Baiken?
I would have thought anyone from Gekka, or... I don't know, Sôkaku.
Of course Gekka was my obvious first thought as well, but:
- I thought there were issues between the Gekka and Shamspi teams, even though Yuki doesn't share that rivalry.
- Some guys from Arc Systems Works were behind Shinsamspi and must be in good terms with Yuki.
- Baiken would be an interesting cross-promotion guest in termes of marketing (Sammy flagship game's character in a game which is supposed to bring more AES fans to the AW). Of course there's the sprite difference issue, but at least in termes of animation frames, GGXX isn't that far away from supisupe.
Soukaku would be REALLY good news, though, for various reasons.
Anyway, as long as this stays a rumour, there's no need to bust our asses, really.
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| Iggy 6354th Post
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| "Re(4):Damn !" , posted Wed 20 Apr 22:07
Oh, it's not serious, but since we have nothing else to do, let's dream a little. I mean, we are at work, aren't we?
And Baiken going from hi-res to low-res (and with those different, large proportions) would be quite weird I guess. Hum, if I didn't hate the staff of GG, I could even begin to like the idea.
But who are we kidding.
"A guest character that will surprise you even though he may not seem to fit in the SS universe ?"
Dante, of course.
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| Abster
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| "Re(5):Re(10):Damn !" , posted Thu 21 Apr 05:23
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Yes, Mizuki's dog is ripped directly from SS2, except for a few frames. (win pose when Mizuki is sitting on him, and all of Mizuki's "kick" frames where just a part of him shows)
I wish for Mizuki to be featured in another SS game sometime... With a few cool additions, as well as putting moves / stuff from SS2 back. But I like how Yuki redid her for SSZS.
Somehow, they decided it to make it so you never see her feet anymore... lol
I always assumed they did that to make her as different from Amakusa as possible (they do share a few similarities overall)...
(... What, no one cares ? :p)
And Abster, don't get so defensive. :p
Well, Mizuki's portal in SS0 Special resembles Rasetsu Amakusa's portal move in how the hits are dealt. Kinda funny how they try going with the whole demon hiding underneath her skirt thing. When she send it after the opponent, how does it reappear underneath the skirt? Another one of those questions we may never know.
Well, at least I too like Suijasama. Enja makes me think he looks like one of the DBZ characters sometimes.
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| Stifu
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| "Re(6):Re(10):Damn !" , posted Thu 21 Apr 05:40
Well... Yeah, Haon is a weird one. In SS2, he's a Poppy clone turning into his demon self from times to times, and in SSZS he spends most of his time in Mizuki's panties.
I wish they'd add back more of the cool effects Mizuki's move had in SS2... Like those hands grabbing your feet to make you dive into her pentagram... The thunder effect that follows... The "ripper" floating around you when your controls are reversed... All those other cool little details that were so numerous in SS2, but that are lacking in the last SS games. (crows flying, etc, etc)
Talking about that, I want foreground elements (and breakable in some cases) back...
And about Enja, they are fully aware he looks like a DBZ character, hence his C color in SSZ / SS5. :p
Thinking about it, is Cham Cham actually MORE out of place in the SS universe than Enja is ?
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| Iggy 6362th Post
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| "Re(7):Re(10):Damn !" , posted Thu 21 Apr 07:48
Abster : you know, I'm not that much of an aggressive asshole. I haven't killed that guy who keeps talking about Shermie's herpes yet.
But it's mostly because I can't write his name if he hasn't posted somewhere, because I need to copy&paste it.
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Thinking about it, is Cham Cham actually MORE out of place in the SS universe than Enja is ?
Well, Enja is japanese, he's a demon, he's a close range fighter... His only drawback is that he has too many similarities with Sieger to allow him to return.
Chamcham is as out of place as Mina, for example. But Chamcham is also a character that has been created before the discovery of the moe, and unlike Nakoruru, she couldn't cross the moe line. Mina, being 100% moe, will still be valid for a couple of years/decades.
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| Abster
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| "Re(8):Re(10):Damn !" , posted Thu 21 Apr 09:46:
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Abster : you know, I'm not that much of an aggressive asshole. I haven't killed that guy who keeps talking about Shermie's herpes yet.
But it's mostly because I can't write his name if he hasn't posted somewhere, because I need to copy&paste it.
Thinking about it, is Cham Cham actually MORE out of place in the SS universe than Enja is ?
Well, Enja is japanese, he's a demon, he's a close range fighter... His only drawback is that he has too many similarities with Sieger to allow him to return.
Chamcham is as out of place as Mina, for example. But Chamcham is also a character that has been created before the discovery of the moe, and unlike Nakoruru, she couldn't cross the moe line. Mina, being 100% moe, will still be valid for a couple of years/decades.
What do you mean by moe? Mina is a fresh new character, so she should have a good go for a while. Cham Cham is a relative to one of the first SS characters, back when SS didn't center entirely around Japan and had characters that came from all over. (Yunfei's the most recent non-Japanese character in the series) Since SS2 though she hasn't had any additional appearances outside Japan though, other than cameos perhaps. A one time fighting and RPG appearance is all she'll have. Besides, she's about as obsolette now as Gen-an, Sieger, Nicotine, Wan-Fu, and company that hasn't returned since SS2.
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