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| beto 864th Post
 
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|  "Re(2):King Of Fighters XI ?" , posted Wed 4 May 10:12
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I object! They should call it KoF Episode Nine. This would follow the trend they already started of putting the episode number like "Episode 7" on the games.
KoF 11 would count the "dream match" games, and my fan opinion is that it would be better without them counted. Also I believe that while counting 2 of the NeoGeo "dream match" games, it doesn't count other dream match and in-story games, such as KoF Neowave, Fatal Fury The King of Fighters, KoF Maksemum Empaac, or several of the other games like the gameboy games.
Thanks for the news, don't you want to put it on the front page? =)
Yeah, calling this "KOF11" will only confuse the (few) mainstream players. They´ll see the "Episode 7" at the beggining of KOF2001 (or the numbers on the cover of the PAL 2000/2001 pack), find 2003 (ep.08) and then wonder where are all those other chapters.
Still, hopefully this new numbering and (radically) different logo are a sign that they make some kind of graphic upgrade... Even if it´s just ReBouting the 2003 sprites.
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| Burning Ranger 1190th Post
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| "Re(3):King Of Fighters XI ?" , posted Wed 4 May 10:37
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Maybe SNKP is not going to assign years to them anymore (since it seems to take more than 1 year to make them). Still, having the year attached makes the game more... interesting. Then again, it kinda lowers the values of earlier KOFs (like how EA Madden games are reduced in value with each new year).
I'm not one to collect every KOF, but still -- isn't there more that's markedly different about each installment of KOF, than with each installment of Madden?
[And on a tangent -- despite the fact that we see many older sports games at the bottoms of bargain bins, I actually wonder if there's even the remote chance that Madden games might actually increase in value as time passes -- based purely on the concept of classic team line-ups. Or do they include stats and line-ups from years past in newer games?]
KOF 00/01 collection is now $20 at EBGames and Gamestop (I got mine for $16 new at a different store). And KOF99, if you can find it on PSOne, is probably $9.99 new. Now these are just the console versions... I just checked National Console Support, and found that while KOF02 and KOF03 (Neo Geo AES Versions) are out of stock, '03 is priced about $100 more than its predecessor. Then again, '01 is priced the same as '02. THis makes me think that while there are differences between the games, the year notation is what might be driving the price down. It also makes me wonder how well KOF94Rebout will sell in the US... even now, I'm reluctant to buy a game with '94 in the title since it's now 2005.
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| Undead Fred 2346th Post
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| "Re(4):King Of Fighters XI ?" , posted Wed 4 May 17:42
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KOF 00/01 collection is now $20 at EBGames and Gamestop (I got mine for $16 new at a different store). And KOF99, if you can find it on PSOne, is probably $9.99 new. Now these are just the console versions... I just checked National Console Support, and found that while KOF02 and KOF03 (Neo Geo AES Versions) are out of stock, '03 is priced about $100 more than its predecessor. Then again, '01 is priced the same as '02. THis makes me think that while there are differences between the games, the year notation is what might be driving the price down. It also makes me wonder how well KOF94Rebout will sell in the US... even now, I'm reluctant to buy a game with '94 in the title since it's now 2005.
Well, as far as the consoles go, I'd chalk up the lower prices to their just being old games...
I think Juan's got a good point, but I'm going to miss having the year by the name... it made it feel more like an annual tournament instead of a regular fighting game. But yeah, maybe they'll be more willing to take some time and improve the graphics or something since they don't HAVE to have a KOF every year.
Just as long as they keep coming out, I'll be happy.
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| Pollyanna 1087th Post
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| "Re(9):King Of Fighters XI ?" , posted Thu 5 May 15:49
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Not really sure what you want... random overhauls to his style every few years? I mean, there's always room for growth, but his style's pretty tight already. His coloring is very good, his proportions are solid, his poses are dynamic... I mean, his work isn't perfect, but no one's really is. And if he's doing artwork for video game companies, I'd say he can definitely compete.
I'll just go ahead and say you're right, because it's totally impossible to argue about art with someone and Falcoon isn't a bad artist. What it comes down to is that I used to love Falcoon, but I feel that he hasn't improved in years and as a result his art has become stale to me. Anything else I say is too easily contestable, because, for the sake of this conversation, I'm wrong.
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| Undead Fred 2351th Post
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| "Re(10):King Of Fighters XI ?" , posted Fri 6 May 01:01
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I'll just go ahead and say you're right, because it's totally impossible to argue about art with someone and Falcoon isn't a bad artist. What it comes down to is that I used to love Falcoon, but I feel that he hasn't improved in years and as a result his art has become stale to me. Anything else I say is too easily contestable, because, for the sake of this conversation, I'm wrong.
I don't know, I guess I was just saying that if I were to critique him if he were in a class or something, I wouldn't really have any areas that I'd like for him to improve... I liked his more "experimental" pictures (by "experimental", I mean the ones that weren't straightforward character illustrations and had more monochromatic color schemes and stuff), and I'd like to see more work like that, but in terms of his style and mark-making and body structure and all of those core skills, I'd say he's pretty much solid there.
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| beto 869th Post
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| "Re(4):Re(10):King Of Fighters XI ?" , posted Fri 6 May 04:56:
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What are you talking about??? We didn't see to talk about the same Senri kita is seems...
Go and watch Samurai spirit warrior rage arts, or all the art she did for the SNK CHARACTERS artbooks...
SNK Characters? Like those girls below?
http://www.planetdreamcast.com/orochinagi/snkillustrations/SNK_Characters_030.jpg
http://www.kawaiidream.net/details.php?image_id=5553&sessionid=d2dbadfd6c186e6b4c803c42bd15958c
http://www.kawaiidream.net/details.php?image_id=9119&sessionid=d2dbadfd6c186e6b4c803c42bd15958c
Senri Kita likes (and ´s popular for) drawing girls like those.
If those look like "realistic" girls to you, you´re out of your mind. They´re cartoonish, as clichéd anime-like as possible.
When he draws Athena she looks like someone from Card Captor Sakura. Just like Falcoon, the older a character is, the less "cartoony" it looks. The only difference is that Falcoon´s coloring is closer to what one would expect from "anime" style art and he likes over the top facial expressions to his freaks (which fit much better to characters like Choi, Yamazaki and so on than Shinkiro´s renditions).
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Shinkiro's Athena is far better than Falcoon's...At least she looks like a girl...And hiroaki's buriki girls are far nicer too...Just seems you didn't really know all the works Shinkiro, Senri and Hiroaki did.......
Shinkiro´s Athena looks like a statue of an idol. She doesn´t look like someone that would be even able to move, much less fight.
And Hiroaki himself considers his girls bad. Not on anatomy, but in the sense that (just like Shinkiro´s) they´re dull and out-of-character (sometimes even looking much older, like Kula below - isn´t she supposed to be a pretty young teenager?):
http://www.planetdreamcast.com/orochinagi/snkillustrations/SNK_Characters_109.jpg
http://www.planetdreamcast.com/orochinagi/snkillustrations/SNK_Characters_107.jpg
Hiroaki is good drawing characters like K´ and Iori, the "bad-asses". Every time he has to draw K´and Kula together, it´s painful how much better and in-character K´ looks compared to Kula. Hiroaki is by far my favorite SNK artist, but that doesn´t make me blind to his problems, you kow.
Shinkiro is good at drawing the more "normal" characters, like King, Clark. His (and Hiroaki´s) freaks or up-beat, "happy" characters don´t look right at all. It´s just like when Shinkiro makes a Metal Slug illustration. It doesn´t work.
(and that´s without counting Shinkiro´s "Mark Dacascos everywhere" problem)
And Naruto, you complain about "cartoonish" stuff, but your name is from a very silly, shitty kiddie cartoon. What´s the deal with that?
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| Time Mage 2114th Post
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| "Re(5):Re(10):King Of Fighters XI ?" , posted Fri 6 May 05:44
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And Naruto, you complain about "cartoonish" stuff, but your name is from a very silly, shitty kiddie cartoon. What´s the deal with that?
You could have ended your argument without having to resort to give your perfectly respectable but generally not shared opinion about his nick's origin.
Anyway, I can tell you that Naruto is just too special about his likes and dislikes. If he likes certain artist, or if he has a certain fixed idea of how a 3D fighter should be, there's NO WAY IN HELL you or anyone could change his opinion. His arguments won't often be valid, but that doesn't matter: his idea is the correct one. That said, he usually express those ideas without bothering anyone, so you don't have to take it as if it were a personal issue. I particulary agree with you in this argument, but that last part just was unnecessary, I think.
And yes, Shinkiro has never drawn anything that suggested movement. His drawings may be detailed and "realistic", but lack life.
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| NARUTO 3032th Post
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| "Re(5):Re(10):King Of Fighters XI ?" , posted Sat 7 May 00:52
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If those look like "realistic" girls to you, you´re out of your mind. They´re cartoonish, as clichéd anime-like as possible.
Definitely not as Falcoon ones IMO...
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The only difference is that Falcoon´s coloring is closer to what one would expect from "anime" style art...
And that's what I hate in his works...
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...and he likes over the top facial expressions to his freaks (which fit much better to characters like Choi, Yamazaki and so on than Shinkiro´s renditions).
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Once again not for my taste.
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Shinkiro´s Athena looks like a statue of an idol. She doesn´t look like someone that would be even able to move, much less fight.
The "posing" way is what I like in Shinkiro's style... It's not because they're fighters that they should be always in some dynamic poses...
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And Hiroaki himself considers his girls bad. Not on anatomy, but in the sense that (just like Shinkiro´s) they´re dull and out-of-character (sometimes even looking much older, like Kula below - isn´t she supposed to be a pretty young teenager?):
IMO I find they good
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Hiroaki is good drawing characters like K´ and Iori, the "bad-asses". Every time he has to draw K´and Kula together, it´s painful how much better and in-character K´ looks compared to Kula. Hiroaki is by far my favorite SNK artist, but that doesn´t make me blind to his problems, you kow.
This is what we're talking about since a bit time, Our taste...
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Shinkiro is good at drawing the more "normal" characters, like King, Clark. His (and Hiroaki´s) freaks or up-beat, "happy" characters don´t look right at all. It´s just like when Shinkiro makes a Metal Slug illustration. It doesn´t work.
I disagree, his freak are nice, nobody drawn Lin as good so far, and the MS arts works for me, even if her I should say that Falcoon's art would be better.
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And Naruto, you complain about "cartoonish" stuff, but your name is from a very silly, shitty kiddie cartoon. What´s the deal with that?
Can you tell me the link between my nickname and the subject??
2nd Naruto is a Manga at first, And as a Manga fan I like it, the anime version is bullshit to me....
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Anyway, I can tell you that Naruto is just too special about his likes and dislikes. If he likes certain artist, or if he has a certain fixed idea of how a 3D fighter should be, there's NO WAY IN HELL you or anyone could change his opinion.
Well you can change it, BUT with a lots of evidences and a lots of time...^ ^
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His arguments won't often be valid, but that doesn't matter: his idea is the correct one.
No valid?? how dare you?
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That said, he usually express those ideas without bothering anyone, so you don't have to take it as if it were a personal issue. I particulary agree with you in this argument, but that last part just was unnecessary, I think.
Well IMO this is what the BBS is for, talking about our taste about game and stuff.
IMO I won't be sad or more happy if some agrees or not with me, it's just about giving my opinion on a subjet in order to make it "move". Thanks for taking this like it.
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And yes, Shinkiro has never drawn anything that suggested movement. His drawings may be detailed and "realistic", but lack life.
True! but IMO that's what I'm liking.
We are all mad at some point....
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"omegadog con queso" , posted Wed 4 May 06:48:
