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| Shapermc
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|  "eaten alive" , posted Wed 18 May 01:57:
In every other forum I am getting eaten alive for my opinion, but ...
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In a rather significant piece of bad news for Nintendo fans, the New York Times today reported that the Revolution will be the only next-gen system not to provide support for HDTV resolutions.
Games created for two next-generation consoles - the Xbox 360 from Microsoft and the PlayStation 3 from Sony - will display video in wide-screen high-definition format if the console is connected to a high-definition TV. Only Nintendo's entry, code-named Revolution, will not cater to HDTV's.
Fuck?! That is awesome news! Am I the only one thinking that it was a smart move to do this? I mean, it is not like they WON'T support it, they are just not catering to it. Hell the GC has more HD games than the PS2, the Revolution will not, not make HD games, it will just not be the focus.
At least one video game company knows where to put their focus.
Actually, I think this is the most exciting thing to develop from E3 so far.
How the hell does video conferencing, internet acccess, digital photos, reading a million different and beating deep blue at chess help a game system/company? How does a 3 million dollar minimum budget for a game to meet the standards for PS3 or 360 games help anything?
Why do all the videos and "screenshots" for every other system feel like one big lie?
Hell.
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| ONSLAUGHT 3363th Post
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| "Re(1):eaten alive" , posted Wed 18 May 01:59
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In every other forum I am getting eaten alive for my opinion, but ...
[quote="NintenDojo!"]In a rather significant piece of bad news for Nintendo fans, the New York Times today reported that the Revolution will be the only next-gen system not to provide support for HDTV resolutions.
Games created for two next-generation consoles - the Xbox 360 from Microsoft and the PlayStation 3 from Sony - will display video in wide-screen high-definition format if the console is connected to a high-definition TV. Only Nintendo's entry, code-named Revolution, will not cater to HDTV's.
Fuck?! That is awesome news! Am I the only one thinking that it was a smart move to do this? I mean, it is not like they WON'T support it, they are just not catering to it. Hell the GC has more HD games than the PS2, the Revolution will not, not make HD games, it will just not be the focus.
At least one video game company knows where to put their focus.
Actually, I think this is the most exciting thing to develop from E3 so far.
How the hell does video conferencing, internet acccess, digital photos, reading a million different and beating deep blue at chess help a game system/company? How does a 3 million dollar minimum budget for a game to meet the standards for PS3 or 360 games help anything?
Why do all the videos and "screenshots" for every other system feel like one big lie?
Hell.
WHAT?
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| Hungrywolf 3033th Post
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| "Re(2):Nintendo Revolution thread" , posted Wed 18 May 02:15
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In case you haven't heard yet... only 2 to 3 times more powerful than Gamecube. It's Backwards compatible, plays DVDs, and will feature tons of downloadable content including classics nes,snes, and even downloadable Gamecube games. Wireless controllers, can communicate with DS... but the actual controller design that has everyone so curious has not been shown.
A new Nintendo console that can play Gamecube games? BRILLIANT!
Downloadable content? BRILLIANT!
I'm excited about the Revolution, and will definately get one, since I always get the next Nintendo system. I may also get a PS3 and the new X-box, so I can have the X-box and PS1 and PS2 games to play on them. I'm glad Nintendo is finally going to put a little focus in online gaming, and I'm excited about this ability to download games. I'd love to download Earthbound into my Revolution, if it's possible. It's the greatest RPG ever. Well, in my opinion. Also, if a good bit of their library of NES and SNES games are available for download, I can get all the NES games I have that I can't play anymore (since my NES won't work anymore for some reason). And backwards compatibility makes me very happy.
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| OmegaDog 1520th Post
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| "Re(1):eaten alive" , posted Wed 18 May 02:35:
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Fuck?! That is awesome news! Am I the only one thinking that it was a smart move to do this? I mean, it is not like they WON'T support it, they are just not catering to it. Hell the GC has more HD games than the PS2, the Revolution will not, not make HD games, it will just not be the focus.
Sure, having HDTV output has little to do with actual gameplay -- but I do like having the best video connection possible, even it won't be until far in the future that I use it. It's only now that I have a TV capable of S-Video, and I enjoy hooking up my SNES through it. It makes the sprites and backgrounds look shinier -- it's like adding polish to the classics. (Same with my Saturn, on 2D games at least.)
While I do preach that gameplay is most important, I like having the option to have my graphics as clean as possible. (Oddly, though, when I have the cleanest connection available, and there are video filters to make the image look grainy or older, I like fiddling around with 'em. But it looks grainy and old in such a CLEAN fashion.)
Not that I'm counting this as a major loss, though. I'm sure it'll still look quite awesome with S-Video or whatever other video options it might have. And there's also probably the fact that, because is a machine that touts itself as focusing less on power (and focuses more on the power's applications, though that's tangential to the point), it probably won't have the UBER-POWER to output HDTV resolutions at a steady framerate.
EDIT: That boxy look kind makes it look retro in a classic-electronics sort of way, doesn't it? I kinda like. Kinda sorta.
EDIT 2: And yes -- officially-sanctioned library of downloadable classic games = WIN.
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| EternalNewbie
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| "Re(4):Owari" , posted Wed 18 May 03:55
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Plus the system is way below the competitors' machines, which is a good way to predict that 3rd parties will most likely drop the Revolution to make games for the PS3 and the 360 only...
Not so certain on that part. The sky-rocketing cost of developing games is a problem facing developers currently and looks only to get worse. If developing games for the Revolution is cheaper while still turning a profit, game developers might be willing to try more risky games for the Revolution as well as keep making standard games for it. Let's face it, budget issues are a problem for the big companies as much as it is for you and me buying the final products.
As for the Revolution, I am giving Nintendo to the end of E3 before I pass my final word on them for now. While I think it would have been wise to preview alot of their cards at the conference, Nintendo has waited til later during E3 in the past to show stuff off. Nintendo, for all its crazyness and sometimes senial seeming thinking, is actual probably the wisest of the 3 companies. They play a shrewd fairly well calculated game while Sony and Microsoft tend to stick to predictable strategies. People have been predicting the crazy end of Nintendo since the N64 and I have yet to see it. They (hopefully) know what they are doing.
On a random note, the more I think about these three, the more I keep drawing analogies to the 3 Kingdoms. We got Shu being Nintendo, with Zhuge Liang being played by Miyamoto. Then uhhhh.... Sony being Wu and Microsoft being Wei? Sure, let's go with that. I've been playing too much Dynasty Warriors 5...
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| Bootation 462th Post
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|  "Re(6):Owari" , posted Wed 18 May 11:29:
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As for the Revolution, I am giving Nintendo to the end of E3 before I pass my final word on them for now. While I think it would have been wise to preview alot of their cards at the conference, Nintendo has waited til later during E3 in the past to show stuff off. Nintendo, for all its crazyness and sometimes senial seeming thinking, is actual probably the wisest of the 3 companies. They play a shrewd fairly well calculated game while Sony and Microsoft tend to stick to predictable strategies. People have been predicting the crazy end of Nintendo since the N64 and I have yet to see it. They (hopefully) know what they are doing.
Yeah, when it comes to Nintendo everyone is a freak'n Nostradumbass.
I dunno, I think that Nintendo knows how to handle themselves. Of the (little) news we got of their next system. I for one am very happy to know that it will play GC games, able to link with the DS and have WiFi net access. Do ANY of you know how long I have waited to hear those words!?!!?
A likely prospect of playing online or LAN the systems and I can finally play all of those 4 player GC games that required a GBA! On top of which, I can finally gladly shell out the $$$$$ on a Nintendo portable that will get support for its WiFi and touchscreen features backed by Nintendo's tried and true approach to entertainment.
Ya know I for one wasn't expecting Nintendo to make a freak'n computer like Sony or Microsoft have with thier next consoles...which I'm still very interested in and will undoubtedly buy...but a system that is around 3x more powerful than the GC and plays DVDs? I find the thought of that being underwhelming to be irrational. Thats still a very powerful system. Methinks one of the killer apps for the next Nintendo console is going to be a cheaper price.
This is the beginning of the end for the big N. Unless there really is a fucking revolution like that stereoscopic projector then, hopefully nintendo should give up before it comes out and follow Sega's lead and become a talented 3rd party. Which I think is good. because the less consoles there are the less shit ends up landfill.
But i digress...
(P.S. Hell even ship your goofy controllers with your new titles for xbox 720. P.P.S i HATE M$ and own an apple)
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| Yobyvan
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| "Re(6):Owari" , posted Wed 18 May 11:32
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As for the Revolution, I am giving Nintendo to the end of E3 before I pass my final word on them for now. While I think it would have been wise to preview alot of their cards at the conference, Nintendo has waited til later during E3 in the past to show stuff off. Nintendo, for all its crazyness and sometimes senial seeming thinking, is actual probably the wisest of the 3 companies. They play a shrewd fairly well calculated game while Sony and Microsoft tend to stick to predictable strategies. People have been predicting the crazy end of Nintendo since the N64 and I have yet to see it. They (hopefully) know what they are doing.
Yeah, when it comes to Nintendo everyone is a freak'n Nostradumbass.
I dunno, I think that Nintendo knows how to handle themselves. Of the (little) news we got of their next system. I for one am very happy to know that it will play GC games, able to link with the DS and have WiFi net access. Do ANY of you know how long I have waited to hear those words!?!!?
A likely prospect of playing online or LAN the systems and I can finally play all of those 4 player GC games that required a GBA! On top of which, I can finally gladly shell out the $$$$$ on a Nintendo portable that will get support for its WiFi and touchscreen features backed by Nintendo's tried and true approach to entertainment.
Ya know I for one wasn't expecting Nintendo to make a freak'n computer like Sony or Microsoft have with thier next consoles...which I'm still very interested in and will undoubtedly buy...but a system that is around 3x more powerful than the GC and plays DVDs? I find the thought of that being underwhelming to be irrational. Thats still a very powerful system. Methinks one of the killer apps for the next Nintendo console is going to be a cheaper price.
.. and they said i we can play all the old Nintendo games in Revolution from Game Cube, to the old classic Nintendo..
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| Hungrywolf 3035th Post
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| "Re(7):Owari" , posted Wed 18 May 12:13
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As for the Revolution, I am giving Nintendo to the end of E3 before I pass my final word on them for now. While I think it would have been wise to preview alot of their cards at the conference, Nintendo has waited til later during E3 in the past to show stuff off. Nintendo, for all its crazyness and sometimes senial seeming thinking, is actual probably the wisest of the 3 companies. They play a shrewd fairly well calculated game while Sony and Microsoft tend to stick to predictable strategies. People have been predicting the crazy end of Nintendo since the N64 and I have yet to see it. They (hopefully) know what they are doing.
Yeah, when it comes to Nintendo everyone is a freak'n Nostradumbass.
I dunno, I think that Nintendo knows how to handle themselves. Of the (little) news we got of their next system. I for one am very happy to know that it will play GC games, able to link with the DS and have WiFi net access. Do ANY of you know how long I have waited to hear those words!?!!?
A likely prospect of playing online or LAN the systems and I can finally play all of those 4 player GC games that required a GBA! On top of which, I can finally gladly shell out the $$$$$ on a Nintendo portable that will get support for its WiFi and touchscreen features backed by Nintendo's tried and true approach to entertainment.
Ya know I for one wasn't expecting Nintendo to make a freak'n computer like Sony or Microsoft have with thier next consoles...which I'm still very interested in and will undoubtedly buy...but a system that is around 3x more powerful than the GC and plays DVDs? I find the thought of that being underwhelming to be irrational. Thats still a very powerful system. Methinks one of the killer apps for the next Nintendo console is going to be a cheaper price.
This is the beginning of the end for the big N. Unless there really is a fucking revolution like that stereoscopic projector then, hopefully nintendo should give up before it comes out and follow Sega's lead and become a talented 3rd party. Which I think is good. because the less consoles there are the less shit ends up landfill.
But i digress...
(P.S. Hell even ship your goofy controllers with your new titles for xbox 720. P.P.S i HATE M$ and own an apple)
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I don't think Nintendo is anywhere near becoming a third party. I'm excited about this new console. I think it would be incredible to play NES, SNES, N64, GCN, and Revolution games all on the same system. That could help get rid of a lot of clutter.
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| Baines
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| "Revolution" , posted Wed 18 May 12:51
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Iwata is already saying that Revolution will be the cheapest and easiest to develop for and that it's for "big ideas over big budgets"
That is the same line that was used to promote the Gamecube. Ideas over budgets, gamemaker's console, as well as ease and cheapness of development compared to the PS2. The arguments didn't win development support for the Cube, and it eventually became the most expensive console to develop for (as companies were plenty willing to improve PS2 development aids).
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They do have a big big secret, a real revolution, and the controller is a key element of how this new console is so revolutionnary...
Maybe the real revolution is that what they showed really is a PC CD drive, and the Revolution is modular. You can get a large case for it, you can get a speaker, you can get a harddrive, a motherboard, a keyboard, a mouse... Maybe that is the real secret of prior system emulation as well.
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| Bootation 462th Post
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| "Re(7):Owari" , posted Wed 18 May 13:27
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As for the Revolution, I am giving Nintendo to the end of E3 before I pass my final word on them for now. While I think it would have been wise to preview alot of their cards at the conference, Nintendo has waited til later during E3 in the past to show stuff off. Nintendo, for all its crazyness and sometimes senial seeming thinking, is actual probably the wisest of the 3 companies. They play a shrewd fairly well calculated game while Sony and Microsoft tend to stick to predictable strategies. People have been predicting the crazy end of Nintendo since the N64 and I have yet to see it. They (hopefully) know what they are doing.
Yeah, when it comes to Nintendo everyone is a freak'n Nostradumbass.
I dunno, I think that Nintendo knows how to handle themselves. Of the (little) news we got of their next system. I for one am very happy to know that it will play GC games, able to link with the DS and have WiFi net access. Do ANY of you know how long I have waited to hear those words!?!!?
A likely prospect of playing online or LAN the systems and I can finally play all of those 4 player GC games that required a GBA! On top of which, I can finally gladly shell out the $$$$$ on a Nintendo portable that will get support for its WiFi and touchscreen features backed by Nintendo's tried and true approach to entertainment.
Ya know I for one wasn't expecting Nintendo to make a freak'n computer like Sony or Microsoft have with thier next consoles...which I'm still very interested in and will undoubtedly buy...but a system that is around 3x more powerful than the GC and plays DVDs? I find the thought of that being underwhelming to be irrational. Thats still a very powerful system. Methinks one of the killer apps for the next Nintendo console is going to be a cheaper price.
.. and they said i we can play all the old Nintendo games in Revolution from Game Cube, to the old classic Nintendo..
One of the best things about the cube was that propietary little disc. Now its dvd player with an add on? Add on? jeeze. I think i will stay with portables. I was hoping nintendo would talk about palm pilot software that runs on ds.
Don't get me wrong i like the size of the revolution much better than the Huge ps3 and xbox 360 which look totally similiar. Especially the white ps3.
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| Baines
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| "Re(4):Speculation: The Secret of the Revoluti" , posted Thu 19 May 13:42
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According to Nintendo itself, the system's only two or three times as powerful as the Gamecube, which Nintendo will have been selling for over three years for under $100 at the time the Revolution is released.
Nintendo understated the power of the Gamecube as well, in their attempt to focus on the idea of it being a console created for game ideas and not part of the big budget more power race.
Combined with MS and Sony both overstating their own systems (with plain BS as well as standard rigged poly performance stats), it lead to an early belief that the GC might be the weakest of the three systems and that Nintendo was trying (and failing) to spin that into an asset.
I'd expect Nintendo to again be underselling their system, and am pretty certain Sony in particular is yet again overselling their own. Revolution still might be the weakest of the three, but I'd be even more disappointed if Nintendo has fallen prey to believing its own lines and hype.
Though the size sure implies it isn't trying to be a powerhouse. Is there room inside for even the reduced and optimized guts of a Gamecube along with the other bits and pieces?
And something else... There aren't any fan holes on the case, are there? Revolution is more compact, and the drive is directly on the internals, and there is no fan? Would the Cube have stayed as cool as it did without its giant air vents and fan?
I'm beginning to think more and more that my prediction from last year is true, and the controllers of Revolution will be handhelds in their own right. Something that Revolution can offload some of the game process to (like the GC/GBA link, not like Cell architecture).
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| OmegaDog 1527th Post
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| "One more thing on online library & controller" , posted Sat 21 May 12:08:
The online buying of games -- this is the kinda thing that Infinium Labs wanted to do with its Phantom console, no? And now that Nintendo is adopting it, even if to a lesser degree, that's just another kick against the Phantom's oxymoronic corpse.
EDIT: And apparently... (... link from Slashdot Games.)
EDIT 2: Now about the whole wireless connectivity between the Revolution and the DS -- With the DS having 2 screens with one of 'em being a touch screen -- for console games, that could have some pretty creative applications right there, no? I mean -- along side this supposed standard Revolution controller (which yeah, Juan might actually be hitting the mark with his comment, or be pretty close to it), the DS could be a slightly revolutionary controller in itself. (... only thing is, of course, that the DS makes for an expensive controller.)
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