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|  "Re(8):Ken Samu pushed back" , posted Thu 9 Jun 05:14
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That's all we know/suppose for now.
Well, and character tweaks of course. Sounds like there're some general system tweaks abit though too, like all pushback being a lot farther. Bah. But yeah I pretty much agree with Nate on this being a waste of time. Though, if people are still happy to play it in Japan, it makes sense to just build on its tournament qualities over time. The problem is if people are going to be expected to pay full price for some kind of home version of this. Though, this version doesn't really sound like it's as full of an update as Reload, which I was actually all for.
Holy Order Sol doesn't really sound like something to use in the arcades though, damn.
Anyway. I think that ABA art is still pretty neat. Not sure why you'd act like Ishiwatari doesn't draw every character differently pretty much every single time. Is that a flattering drawing of ABA? No. She's supposed to be pretty much dead anyway. It's up to the fancommunity to draw her blushing bending over with the face of an 11 year old every time. So, look forward to that. But don't randomly be taken aback when Daisuke does what he always does, except to a female character.
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| "Re(5):Ken Samu pushed back" , posted Sun 26 Jun 01:44:
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Piss scared Japs are afraid of a little bit of bloodshed because some schoolgirl went apeshit on her classmate and everyone bought it. It's a completely stupid excuse for this series to go the Soul Calibur route.
So that warrants a moderately offensive diatribe, then? Not having blood won't RUIN the game or anything, and I thought they said this one was "non lethal" or something a long time ago which made me not expect that kind of thing, anyway (something like "it's a matsuri game"). This just reminds me of the moaning about the fatalities being removed from the home version of SS0S, which was worse because they had essentially fooled consumers who were HOPING they were there; In this case they're at least giving you advanced notice(and as for the fatality removal, it was annoying and pointless and all, but I didn't REALLY care, most of them were damn stupid, anyway.) I really just can't believe how much bitching goes on about games even before they're out nowadays.
Edit: I guess my point here is that blood doesn't MAKE a game, that's a silly attitude to take, and one that's more in line with Mortal Kombat fandom. (OOOOH, MK bashing)
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| "Re(8):Ken Samu pushed back" , posted Sun 26 Jun 08:32:
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When you cut someone you bleed, no matter if it's a festival, dance, war, whatever it is.
It's a video game, they throw tornadoes and can emit flames from their swords, when does "realism" come in to it? The lack of blood doesn't radically change the game, and if you aren't in Japan, chances are you've always played it with the blood off anyway (most arcade owners in the U.S. and Europe don't seem to realize they can set the blood on via the dip switches) Anyway, I wasn't saying you're WRONG for not being pleased at the lack of blood, that's your decision; I'm saying screaming "Damn Japs, blah blah! I'm an American, they can't do this to me! Oh, I'm so ANGRY!!" was decidedly silly and your upset about the blood being removed could have been expressed in a decidedly more mature manner (especially considering we have some Japanese posters here). And besides all of this other stuff, it's their franchise, they can do whatever the hell they want with it. If they wanted to turn Haohmaru in to a cow and have him breathe fire they could, although I think that WOULD actually affect the way the fanbase felt about it. This game is being developed for the Japanese market, and a very small market at that; chances are their target market (the people who will actually put money in the game) won't give a crap if the blood is there or not.
I for one am damn well going to snag this if it's good, might finally give me a reason to pick up an Atomiswave, which I had second thoughs about after I lost interest in Battle Coliseum (which I'm still going to give a shot, just not when it's 1500 dollars)
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| "Re(9):Ken Samu pushed back" , posted Sun 26 Jun 09:15
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It's a video game, they throw tornadoes and can emit flames from their swords, when does "realism" come in to it? The lack of blood doesn't radically change the game, and if you aren't in Japan, chances are you've always played it with the blood off anyway (most arcade owners in the U.S. and Europe don't seem to realize they can set the blood on via the dip switches) Anyway, I wasn't saying you're WRONG for not being pleased at the lack of blood, that's your decision; I'm saying screaming "Damn Japs, blah blah! I'm an American, they can't do this to me! Oh, I'm so ANGRY!!" was decidedly silly and your upset about the blood being removed could have been expressed in a decidedly more mature manner (especially considering we have some Japanese posters here). And besides all of this other stuff, it's their franchise, they can do whatever the hell they want with it. If they wanted to turn Haohmaru in to a cow and have him breathe fire they could, although I think that WOULD actually affect the way the fanbase felt about it. This game is being developed for the Japanese market, and a very small market at that; chances are their target market (the people who will actually put money in the game) won't give a crap if the blood is there or not.
I for one am damn well going to snag this if it's good, might finally give me a reason to pick up an Atomiswave, which I had second thoughs about after I lost interest in Battle Coliseum (which I'm still going to give a shot, just not when it's 1500 dollars)
Good for you, but Imoya is making a big mistake taking away from the dark gritty atmosphere that SS was built off of. Blood literally made up several of their game's logos, like SS Zero. BTW, the blood was there in ALL SS games. It was just censored white because they thought we in America would sue them or they thought we were too violent people and we would easily bend to this kind of violence. I had suspected they'd do something like this since the SS0 Special censorship fiasco, and given their director is a big soccer mom, it came as no surprise when I learned they weren't intending on putting the blood in in the first place.
If they want to succeed, they should concentrate on satisfying those around the world, and not just in Japan where they make em. Many times I think SNKP is flat out racist based on their decisions. I don't have a gore fetish or anything like that, but there are some trademarks of a series that simply should not be played with. Even NGBC has blood. Why change that for a series which was built on it?
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| "Re(10):Ken Samu pushed back" , posted Sun 26 Jun 10:06:
I KNOW the blood was there, I'm not stupid, and they WERE involved in a controversy some time ago, which is why they started to remove blood in the first place (SS 1 was not censored and caused a stink at the time, so they pretty much said "fuck it" from there on out). I also don't think it's appropriate to say the series has "always been dark and gritty", SS 1 and 2 were anything BUT dark and gritty, they were in fact rather silly. It didn't become "Dark and gritty" until 3 and 4, which most people seem to dislike (I like 4, but I'm definately in the minority) and JESUS, accusing somebody of being "Racist" because they take their own market in to account??? What the hell is it with Americans throwing the word "racist" around so goddamn much? Are you saying American companies DON'T take their own market in to account first and foremost? Damn, the X-Box lineup and pretty much any fucking game made by an American company could have damn well fooled me! It never ceases to amaze me how people can legitimize their belief somebody is being "racist" on really outlandish grounds.
Seriously, claiming they're "racist" because they take the blood out of a game IN THEIR OWN FUCKING COUNTRY is one of the most ludicrous things I've ever heard..
and as I said, YOU CAN TURN THE BLOOD BACK ON IN THE FOREIGN VERSIONS, most U.S. AND EUROPEAN ARCADE OWNERS JUST DON'T DO IT. It's the same for Metal Slug.
Edit: I think saying SS was "built on blood" is silly, too... it implies it's some sort of integral part of the game, when it has absolutely no effect on anything whatsoever, with the possible exception of Amakusa Kourin. BESIDES all of this, AGAIN, I wasn't saying you were "wrong" for being disappointed blood was taken out, I was saying you were being retarded for pissing and moaning and using derogatory terminology which if anything only makes you look like a hypocrite when you call Playmore "racist". Pardon my language, but what you're doing is essentially the same as saying something like "THEM THAR CHINKS IS A BUNCHA RACISTS!"
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| "Re(2):Re(10):Ken Samu pushed back" , posted Sun 26 Jun 10:21
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I KNOW the blood was there, I'm not stupid, and they WERE involved in a controversy some time ago, which is why they started to remove blood in the first place (SS 1 was not censored and caused a stink at the time, so they pretty much said "fuck it" from there on out). I also don't think it's appropriate to say the series has "always been dark and gritty", SS 1 and 2 were anything BUT dark and gritty, they were in fact rather silly. It didn't become "Dark and gritty" until 3 and 4, which most people seem to dislike (I like 4, but I'm definately in the minority) and JESUS, accusing somebody of being "Racist" because they take their own market in to account??? What the hell is it with Americans throwing the word "racist" around so goddamn much? Are you saying American companies DON'T take their own market in to account first and foremost? Damn, the X-Box lineup and pretty much any fucking game made by an American company could have damn well fooled me! It never ceases to amaze me how people can legitimize their belief somebody is being "racist" on really outlandish grounds.
Seriously, claiming they're "racist" because they take the blood out of a game IN THEIR OWN FUCKING COUNTRY is one of the most ludicrous things I've ever heard..
and as I said, YOU CAN TURN THE BLOOD BACK ON IN THE FOREIGN VERSIONS, most U.S. AND EUROPEAN ARCADE OWNERS JUST DON'T DO IT. It's the same for Metal Slug.
Reason why I was quoting SNKP as racist was because they never gave a shit about any of their outside markets. They only cared about their Japanese market. That makes me wonder why did they create outside markets in the first place? I wasn't calling them racist because they are afraid of adding blood to SS Tenka. For that I just call them chickens. Dip switches alone aren't able to restore the blood to it's rightful red color. Many times it takes a lot more, like changing the bios to Japanese or stuff like that. They WANT to keep the blood and stuff from people outside of Japan.
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| "Re(3):Re(10):Ken Samu pushed back" , posted Sun 26 Jun 10:34:
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Dip switches alone aren't able to restore the blood to it's rightful red color.
Yes, they are. You don't actually need either the unibios or Japanese bios to change the blood colour in most games, this is a common fallacy. You want proof, I'll get my buddy's camera and I'll take a crapload of photos of several Samuspi games running on both the unibios AND the American bios, with red blood in both cases (I still have a flat-out American one slot in addition to a board with the unibios) And again, I challenge you to debate the fact that ANY game company doesn't take their own market in to account first and foremost. GASP! EA GAMES ISN'T MAKING A GERMAN LANGUAGE VERSION OF MADDEN WHATEVER THE HELL IS OUT NOW AND THEY AREN'T INSERTING THINGS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO GERMAN CULTURE! RACIST PIGS! I also don't exactly see them removing the cheerleaders for markets which don't approve of that sort of thing.(Oh, and saying they didn't do anything for their foreign markets is silly, they actually try to cater to South American markets pretty well, even going so far as to pressuring Data East to record some allegedly "Spanish" voices for the Euro/SA version of MD 3, amongst other things.)
Edit: I feel REALLY awkward defending a company about which I regularly think "They'd be better off dead", but some of the stuff you're saying is so outlandish I can't help it.
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| "Re(4):Re(10):Ken Samu pushed back" , posted Sun 26 Jun 10:45
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Dip switches alone aren't able to restore the blood to it's rightful red color.
Yes, they are. You don't actually need either the unibios or Japanese bios to change the blood colour in most games, this is a common fallacy. And again, I challenge you to debate the fact that ANY game company doesn't take their own market in to account first and foremost (and saying they didn't do anything for their foreign markets is silly, they actually try to cater to South American markets pretty well, even going so far as to pressuring Data East to record some allegedly "Spanish" voices for the Euro/SA version of MD 3, amongst other things.)
Of course, not all game companies are that self centered to their home market. It's understandable that Japan is SNK's home market, so they are given first priority. I wish they could give that same dedication to those outside the Japan community though. Why don't we ever get a chance to help out with loketests for a game as big as this? I'd surely buy a SS Tenka console port when it comes out, but I'll be upset that we don't get blood for a reason outside of our own culture. They try to keep blood, "guts", and bounce from us using every method possible.
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| "Re(6):Re(10):Ken Samu pushed back" , posted Sun 26 Jun 11:06
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You can turn the bounce back on, too. And try to realize America isn't the ONLY foreign market for these games, many of the changes made make the games much more acceptable in many other countries. Don't forget the MVS is (well, at least was at one point) the most widely distributed arcade hardware in the world. It's silly to accuse somebody of being "racist" when they're trying to avoid controversy. Obviously people don't care as much now (at least in the U.S., although there is still cringing and whining about violence in games every day here, too) but in many other places it's even more controversial.
Well, they try to be overprotective. Do you think a little blood is going to get them sued by an american family? No! Most people are mature enough to know this stuff ain't real and they're certainly not going to take swords and cut everyone they see just because they split someone in half in SS5 Special. Imoya's gotta grow up. There were similar incidents back in 97 and such and that didn't make them change the fatalities in the SS64 series. The SS series was always for those of an older audience, and it upsets me that they're trying to dedicate this next game to a much younger audience. There are other series that do that. Not only do they try to keep the blood and bounce away from us, they also have bad localization. The english voices in MD2 were pretty bad, and most of their english releases were horribly translated.
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Bcuz the only kind of responses they'll get if they loketests outside of Japan is,
"Where's the blood!!!!"
"Why no fatalities!!!!!!"
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I doubt that. I heard we even got a loketest of SVC Chaos. I admit Imoya is getting better when it comes to outside markets, but they gotta do better.
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| "Re(5):Re(10):Ken Samu pushed back" , posted Sun 26 Jun 11:09:
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Why don't we ever get a chance to help out with loketests for a game as big as this?
The thing is, this game ISN'T that big. Yes, it's on Atomiswave, but Samurai Spirits fans, even in Japan, aren't THAT widespread. It's a game with a relatively small but devoted following. It doesn't get nearly the attention that "big" games like KOF do from Imoya.
Why else would they let such a small team like Yuki work on a sequel? They probably figured if the game sucked, it wouldn't be a big deal. It wouldn't make huge waves if it was great either. Fortunately, Yuki did well, but it didn't make the series that much more popular. I think you're making this whole situation out to be far more drastic than it is. It's just one game, ferchrissakes.
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Not only do they try to keep the blood and bounce away from us, they also have bad localization. The english voices in MD2 were pretty bad, and most of their english releases were horribly translated.
Okay, this was just ridiculous. If you hate how they handle domestic release of their games, here's an idea: DON'T PLAY THEM! Despite all of the perceived problems you find with these games (which still don't make them any less fun to play), you're still probably going to play them.
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| "Re(8):Re(10):Ken Samu pushed back" , posted Sun 26 Jun 14:13
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Do you think a little blood is going to get them sued by an american family? No! Most people are mature enough to know this stuff ain't real and they're certainly not going to take swords and cut everyone they see just because they split someone in half in SS5 Special. Imoya's gotta grow up.
Dude, if you seriously think this, then it's pretty obvious- you're are not from nor have ever spent any time in America. That's all you ever see in the media about video games is bitching and moaning about evil mean old violent video games that make perfectly nice and innocent children go mad and eat babies and stab old women in their sleep.
Anyway, I agree with being upset that the blood's being left out because I also feel that it's a big part of the game's style. The blood spray gave it that classic stage sword fight feel to it or however you want to describe it... of course it's not a game mechanic or anything, but I think it had a definite part of the game's style. Now that being said, your reasoning behind this little conspiracy theory fantasy world is totally wrong. And again, it goes back to what I was throwing a fit about in that other thread- people get on their Jump to Conclusions Mat as fast as possible and start throwing a million race cards for any and every reason. It's bullshit. It's lame that the blood's not in this SS, but it's definitely not because the Japanese think they're the master race and are keeping all the blood for themselves. It has nothing to do with racism and that's that. And those comments whining about them taking their own market first and foremost is insane. What company EVER doesn't take its home market at top priority? On rare occasions, we'll get lucky and get a DOA or an MGS before the Japanese market simply because we liked the game more than they did. But you can't act like American companies, European companies, Japanese companies, and so on and so on don't make sure their key home market in their own culture's going to get the game first and adapt it closely to their tastes first before caring what the rest of the world's gonna want. That's the way businesses work. If they're some giganticon monster company, THEN they MIGHT take care of all markets at once, but companies as small as SNK Playmore aren't capable of doing that.
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| "Re(10):Re(10):Ken Samu pushed back" , posted Sun 26 Jun 15:45:
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That was why blood was censored in almost all SS AES releases. They thought we couldn't handle it.
So you know what they were thinking, huh? What are you, "Mr. Psychic"? You have some kind of deep, unique understanding of how those MYSTERIOUS, CRAZY JAPANESE think? OH, they're so DIFFERENT from everyone else on the face of the Earth! What the hell are they up to, some kind of massive conspiracy to keep PRECIOUS BLOOD away from THE ROUND-EYES so they can somehow bomb Pearl Harbor again? Jesus Christ, I can't believe you're STILL insisting there is some kind of plot involved in their decision making. Some people have truly bizarre persecution complexes.
They don't give three shakes of a rat's ass whether anybody could "handle" it or not, they stopped because they were involved in a controversy over SS 1 and because IF YOU REMEMBER, there was a VERY BIG controversy in general about violence in games around that time period, and they DIDN'T WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN ANY CONTROVERSIES, they had enough problems as it was. It was probably all a feeble attempt to make their games more accessible to the family market simply BECAUSE there was the whole "Boycott MK!!" movement at the time. Nobody cares anymore so they don't necessarily need to continue, but old habits die hard and their American market is negligable anyway. Besides all this, you act like the blood is some kind of precious treasure, it's like you're a cokehead and they're keeping your stash away from you.
Also, the home cart system was designed as a rental system, and beings that 90% of its use would be by parents renting the system for little kids at parties, I can completely understand their original logic here for not including dip access on said system. They don't also "PLAN" on having the home carts censored (I'm sure in your mind they'd be thinking something like "MU HU HA HA HA HA! THOSE AMERICANS SHALL SUFFER, FOR THEY CANNOT SEE THE RED LIQUID THEY SO LOVE!"), the home carts are literally exactly the same as the arcade data, just in a slightly different format; they literally do zero work in terms of porting (Home carts can work on MVS systems and vice versa, if you have a converter) and on making changes in 99.9% of cases (SS0S being one of the only exceptions, and they went back and UNDID that because FANS COMPLAINED). It just defaults to the standard American settings, there just are no dips you can access to turn stuff back on (so curious kiddy's eyes won't be tainted by THE HORROR)
Edit: Oh, and for it being one of your favorite fighting series.. Christ, I'm sure a fair number of members here could point out it IS my favorite, but I'm not a quarter as upset as you are. I'm a little disappointed, but I can deal with it and I'm CERTAINLY not going to go flying off the deep end with bizarre racist conspiracy theories.
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| "Re(2):Re(10):Re(10):Ken Samu pushed back" , posted Sun 26 Jun 22:07
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Also, the home cart system was designed as a rental system, and beings that 90% of its use would be by parents renting the system for little kids at parties, I can completely understand their original logic here for not including dip access on said system. They don't also "PLAN" on having the home carts censored (I'm sure in your mind they'd be thinking something like "MU HU HA HA HA HA! THOSE AMERICANS SHALL SUFFER, FOR THEY CANNOT SEE THE RED LIQUID THEY SO LOVE!"), the home carts are literally exactly the same as the arcade data, just in a slightly different format; they literally do zero work in terms of porting (Home carts can work on MVS systems and vice versa, if you have a converter) and on making changes in 99.9% of cases (SS0S being one of the only exceptions, and they went back and UNDID that because FANS COMPLAINED). It just defaults to the standard American settings, there just are no dips you can access to turn stuff back on (so curious kiddy's eyes won't be tainted by THE HORROR)
Edit: Oh, and for it being one of your favorite fighting series.. Christ, I'm sure a fair number of members here could point out it IS my favorite, but I'm not a quarter as upset as you are. I'm a little disappointed, but I can deal with it and I'm CERTAINLY not going to go flying off the deep end with bizarre racist conspiracy theories.
You're just blowing things way out of proportion now. First off, I'm not a fucking psychic. I don't consider blood a treasure, nor is it precious, but there are simply some things that must not be tampered with. In case you haven't noticed, SS Tenka is a compilation of all previous SS games, EACH of which had blood. Why didn't they put it in here? Cause it's a matsuri festival. I think that's complete BULLSHIT. For a series that is built on blood, I don't see any reason why they would not put a little blood back in. Even NGBC has blood for Christ's sake. I still cannot see a SS game without any blood.
I doubt SNK is THAT deliberate on keeping that stuff from us, but they do it. Only God knows why they consistently censor and fuck up our games. It does SEEM like there's some kind of conspiracy to keep this stuff from us. BTW, you gotta have some controversy to succeed. Why else would MK and GTA become so popular here?
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| "Re(3):Re(10):Re(10):Ken Samu pushed back" , posted Mon 27 Jun 01:57:
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I doubt SNK is THAT deliberate on keeping that stuff from us, but they do it. Only God knows why they consistently censor and fuck up our games. It does SEEM like there's some kind of conspiracy to keep this stuff from us. BTW, you gotta have some controversy to succeed. Why else would MK and GTA become so popular here?
Whatever, I'm not going to argue this point anymore because you are obviously incapable of accepting reality. Go ahead back to your world of JFK assassinations, Area 51's and fluoridation theories. Besides, I haven't played them, but aren't the ports of KOF 2002/2003 NOT censored? And come to think of it, why in God's name did a game having the blood removed in it FOR THE JAPANESE VERSION set you off on some kind of "OMG TEH CRAZY FOREIGNERS HATES US!" tangent? Seems to me that if they're removing the blood period, it kind of causes serious damage to your CONSPIRACY THEORY. "Even we Japanese can't handle THE BLOOD anymore, it's too X-TREME!"
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Why else would MK and GTA become so popular here?
For the same reason Madden games are so successful here, they appeal to the American gamer (one of the reasons these series are equally unpopular in many other countries, although GTA manages to piss people off wherever it goes) But then again, I'm just being polite here, I was very tempted to say "Because the mass market has poor taste." Besides, last time I checked, MK was about as popular as any other fighting series with its roots in 2D: Not very, except with a small, hard-core fanbase.
And if your theory about controversy being necessary to succeed is true, why were Super Mario Bros, Donkey Kong and Final Fantasy 7 and countless others so successful? Where's all this magical controversy around them? TONIGHT ON NIGHTLINE: THE MUSHROOM KINGDOM! COMMUNIST PLOT? House Speaker Tip O'Neal and Prime Minster Margaret Thatcher join us for the debate. Besides all of this, there are plenty of controversial games that flop horribly; "Chiller", "Splatterhouse" (a success at the time, but forgotten today) and "Thrill Kill" (cancelled) are all perfectly fine examples. Oh, what about "Postal"? Anyway, that's it, after all this it's obvious nobody here is going to make you NOT think there's some kind of conspiracy, but I'll leave you with this question: Who's the one who is being "racist" here? I don't see Playmore flying off the deep end and putting messages like "We hate crackers!" in their products, while I certainly got a heavy "dirty Jap" vibe from you.
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| "Re(2):Jump to Conclusions Mat" , posted Mon 27 Jun 08:19:
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Doesn't it seem to you there's an obvious reason why they're doing this? I mean, even NGBC has blood.
Doesn't it seem to you that your obsession over blood in a video game is A.) creepy and B.) silly, as is the fact that you jump right from "blood isn't in the game" to "racism!!!!!" Saying "Poo, there isn't blood in this.. I'm upset!" or "I wish SNK/Playmore would get with the times, the chances of them getting in trouble again these days is miniscule." would have sufficed, but apparently the fact that they aren't of your ethnic group is a major factor. Never underestimate the power of certain people who have no actual logic to back up their feelings to pull race in to it to try and make it an emotional argument. It's silly, it's tired, it's been done, and it all you have managed to do is make yourself look silly. I'll say this though; you HAVE convinced me that blood being in this game is far more important than the actual game itself is to you.
Also, as you love to say, "EVEN NGBC has blood!" Oooooh, WOW! BLOOD?? MAN, THAT'S JUST.. SO COOL! It will surely make the game 10,000 times better. All that the fact that game has blood in it goes to show is that they're serious about this being a "matsuri" game and your precious, precious red stuff is perfectly likely to come back when they make a SS game which isn't a party game. You have demonstrated the ability to tactically ignore 90% of stuff people say to you and blindly repeat the same concept over and over with no logic whatsoever to back it up other than "it's not there! It's obviously RACIST!" Hey, now I'm going to be Abster and get offended at something absolutely retarded! MK's Liu-Kang and "Rayden"(sic) are offensive and Midway's incapability of having an Asian person be Sub-Zero (who is allegedly a "Chinese Ninja", go figure) is racist! Oh MAN, an American game with RACISM IN IT? But.. NO AMERICANS are RACIST! That's IMPOSSIBLE! There are CERTAINLY no Americans who look down on other ethnic groups, ESPECIALLY not Latinos or the French, Americans just WORSHIP them. How DARE they not make localizations to their games and movies that are pertinent to me and/or my ethnic group! Why the hell do you think Americans do things like shrink Lindsay Lohan's boobs in "Herbie" and stick crappy bikinis on covers of Nintendo DS games? Oooh, maybe is it.. so as not to OFFEND overly-sensitive people, who are found in abundance here? Ooooh, but wait! Maybe we're ALL JAPANESE and are PART OF THE CONSPIRACY... We're out to geeeeet yooooou! WooooooooOOOoooo! WOOOOOOO! < (ghost sounds)
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| "Re(3):Jump to Conclusions Mat" , posted Mon 27 Jun 08:53
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Doesn't it seem to you there's an obvious reason why they're doing this? I mean, even NGBC has blood.
Doesn't it seem to you that your obsession over blood in a video game is A.) creepy and B.) silly, as is the fact that you jump right from "blood isn't in the game" to "racism!!!!!" Saying "Poo, there isn't blood in this.. I'm upset!" or "I wish SNK/Playmore would get with the times, the chances of them getting in trouble again these days is miniscule." would have sufficed, but apparently the fact that they aren't of your ethnic group is a major factor. Never underestimate the power of certain people who have no actual logic to back up their feelings to pull race in to it to try and make it an emotional argument. It's silly, it's tired, it's been done, and it all you have managed to do is make yourself look silly. I'll say this though; you HAVE convinced me that blood being in this game is far more important than the actual game itself is to you.
Also, as you love to say, "EVEN NGBC has blood!" Oooooh, WOW! BLOOD?? MAN, THAT'S JUST.. SO COOL! It will surely make the game 10,000 times better. All that the fact that game has blood in it goes to show is that they're serious about this being a "matsuri" game and your precious, precious red stuff is perfectly likely to come back when they make a SS game which isn't a party game. You have demonstrated the ability to tactically ignore 90% of stuff people say to you and blindly repeat the same concept over and over with no logic whatsoever to back it up other than "it's not there! It's obviously RACIST!" Hey, now I'm going to be Abster and get offended at something absolutely retarded! MK's Liu-Kang and "Rayden"(sic) are offensive and Midway's incapability of having an Asian person be Sub-Zero (who is allegedly a "Chinese Ninja", go figure) is racist! Oh MAN, an American game with RACISM IN IT? But.. NO AMERICANS are RACIST! That's IMPOSSIBLE! There are CERTAINLY no Americans who look down on other ethnic groups, ESPECIALLY not Latinos or the French, Americans just WORSHIP them. How DARE they not make localizations to their games and movies that are pertinent to me and/or my ethnic group! Why the hell do you think Americans do things like shrink Lindsay Lohan's boobs in "Herbie" and stick crappy bikinis on covers of Nintendo DS games? Oooh, maybe is it.. so as not to OFFEND overly-sensitive people, who are found in abundance here? Ooooh, but wait! Maybe we're ALL JAPANESE and are PART OF THE CONSPIRACY... We're out to geeeeet yooooou! WooooooooOOOoooo! WOOOOOOO! < (ghost sounds)
Please, just shut up and go away; you're giving us all a headache.
Falcon, shut the fuck up. I respect the Japanese culture and its people. The ONLY people I dislike out of everyone down there is SNK Playmore. I think that after SS0 Special, there is absolutely NO chance that blood will ever appear in a SS game again, period. Plus, who was the one that said that they never intended to put blood in this game when everyone said they would in a later build? Me! This matsuri stuff is bullshit. They can keep the setting but put the goddamn blood back in. It's such a simple thing. People like YOU have to make it overly complex.
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| Red Falcon 5526th Post
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| "Re(6):Jump to Conclusions Mat" , posted Mon 27 Jun 09:47:
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I'm not the one who claimed they base their decisions on racist philosophy, now am I? People like YOU have to go and resort to simplified idiotic explanations instead of actually applying any rational thought about business practices and public perceptions of an entertainment medium! I guess it's simpler just to scream "RACIST" instead of actually thinking, though. Also, as I pointed out earlier, they restored the silly fatalities to the home cart version of SS0S after fan feedback.
Edit: Or are you not familiar with the cart recall?
I'm only saying they are acting in a racist manner to their non-Japanese audience. Since you think you know SNKP inside and out, explain to me why SNKP treats the American audience as they do by cutting many story details out as well as censor all the stuff that may cause controversy our of all our arcade games and nearly all of our console ports.
You answered your own question right there. And again, YOU CAN RESTORE THEM IN THE ARCADE VERSIONS. And they don't CUT story details, fact is they probably have 0% English capabilties and limited budgets, so they aren't going to go out of their way to support a market which makes virtually no money. How do translations turn out on ANY game from a company with a miniscule budget? It either doesn't happen, or it's piss poor. This isn't Capcom we're talking about here, who has a lot of money to throw around and a solid market in the U.S. One might ask why Konami barely put any work in to any of their ports of Goemon games or why Namco still hasn't released half of their Tales games or put 0 work in to the translation of Valkyrie no Densetsu on that PS 1 collection. Hell, one might ask why any changes are made to ANY video games at all? I love Contra and the Euro-version is butchered, but why is this? BECAUSE THEY WANT TO AVOID TROUBLE. I've said UMPTEEN times now that they don't need to do this anymore, nobody cares, but the American market for their games is so limited AND they're still thinking in terms of the early 90's, which is yet another one of the reasons they'll probably go out of business again in several years. Be happy they make the effort to put these games out in the U.S. at all, they probably lose money every time (they sure did on KOF MI) You seem to have this bizarre belief that America is a major market that they should waste massive amounts of money on, when they learned long ago they have virtually no hope of breaking in to the American market. Their games just don't appeal to 95% of gamers here. I don't even know why I'm typing this, you're clearly impervious to reason. I've had it, this is a waste of effort and I'd rather be playing SRW 64.
Edit: Typo. Also, if you are capable of recognizing the fact Americans make a big stink about retarded stuff as you seemed to imply a long time ago, why is this even a mystery to you? There WAS a stink made over SS1, and it burned them and they've never changed their policy back. I figured I'd at least make one of my points more concise: Bottom line, if they don't think many people will buy it, they aren't going to waste any money on the localization. ALL companies do this.
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| Undead Fred 2424th Post
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| "This thread is a BLOOD BATH [rimshot]" , posted Mon 27 Jun 10:39
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Well, since that's the case, they are too scared to change their policy. They refuse to grow up and quit living in the 90s. This practice makes me sick, and if I could do something about it, I would. They need to take a chance and quit chickening out. If they did, maybe they might succeed in their American market for once. There are those companies that actually refuse to censor their games for outside audiences. Those people are sophisticated. Don't give me this shit about not cutting story details out. KOF MI had several missing storyline details in the english version. SS5's storyline wasn't even translated! The story mode would only come in the upcoming console version, and who knows in what ways they'll try making it "kid friendly"? I bet that Rasetsumaru will NOT be beheaded in his ending.
Dude, you're still not listening- they don't have the budget to get high quality translations. They're a shaky little company, and they're not about to waste money on getting really coherent translations for an American audience that'll sell, like, 10 copies of the game.
Again, leaving the blood out totally is very lame, and it sucks that they don't have some option in the main menu to turn it back on, but chalking their leaving the blood out to racism is just insane. Hearing stuff like that is seriously like hearing someone try to tell you that there was no moon landing. That's all I'm going to say about that. I do think they called it a matsuri festival as a CYA for there not being any blood, but it's really easy to see that they were worried about pissing off soccer moms everywhere by including blood. Again, I think the solution would be to have a protected option to turn it off or something, but I guess they figured parents wouldn't bother figuring out how to turn it off... which isn't that outlandish, either. Anyway, I'm done.
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| Abster
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| "Re(1):This thread is a BLOOD BATH [rimshot]" , posted Mon 27 Jun 11:11
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Dude, you're still not listening- they don't have the budget to get high quality translations. They're a shaky little company, and they're not about to waste money on getting really coherent translations for an American audience that'll sell, like, 10 copies of the game.
You're meaning to say the money and budget is the only reason why we aren't getting good quality translations? That is one thing but there's gotta be more to it.
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Again, leaving the blood out totally is very lame, and it sucks that they don't have some option in the main menu to turn it back on, but chalking their leaving the blood out to racism is just insane. Hearing stuff like that is seriously like hearing someone try to tell you that there was no moon landing. That's all I'm going to say about that. I do think they called it a matsuri festival as a CYA for there not being any blood, but it's really easy to see that they were worried about pissing off soccer moms everywhere by including blood. Again, I think the solution would be to have a protected option to turn it off or something, but I guess they figured parents wouldn't bother figuring out how to turn it off... which isn't that outlandish, either. Anyway, I'm done.
You're onto something, but let me reinterate that the lack of SS Tenka's blood has nothing to do with racism. I didn't intend to put it in that kind of matter. I suddenly began to rant about this knowing the ways they've been treating us since 93.
The perfect solution, include an option to turn it on or off, much like the items. It's simple stuff! That will please what little fans they have and not draw fire from people who don't want to leave certain traditions.
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| Red Falcon 5527th Post
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| "Re(2):This thread is a BLOOD BATH [rimshot]" , posted Mon 27 Jun 11:29:
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You're meaning to say the money and budget is the only reason why we aren't getting good quality translations?
This is what I've been saying the WHOLE FUCKING TIME. They don't put EFFORT in to that for the American market because they LOSE MONEY EVERY TIME THEY TRY AND SELL ANYTHING HERE, be it the NGP or any port of any game.
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That is one thing but there's gotta be more to it.
Why? AGAIN, I HAVE POINTED OUT THAT BAD TRANSLATIONS COMING FROM POOR COMPANIES IS COMMON PLACE. IT IS THE STANDARD. HELL, PLAY ANY GAME BEFORE GAMES GOT "BIG", GO BACK TO SUPER NINTENDO FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. YOU WILL SEE POOR TRANSLATIONS, ABSENT TRANSLATIONS, AND MISTAKES RUNNING WILD. THEY DID NOT HAVE THE MONEY IN THOSE DAYS, THE MARKET WAS NOT WHAT IT IS TODAY. PLAYMORE IS PART OF THIS OLD GENERATION. They are barely clinging to life and their games are HORRIBLY dated. They're like a more successful Mitchell Japan, who ALSO makes good games (OSMAAAN!) which get piss poor translation work because they literally work out of a basement and have 0 money to waste. CAN I SPELL IT OUT ANY MORE SIMPLY FOR YOU? DUH DUH DUUUUUH
Also, what you said to Saiki is akin to yelling at a black man across the street from you "Damn n*****!" And then turning to the black man standing next to you and saying "Oh, I didn't mean you." It's offensive, and that's what this whole argument has been ABOUT, not blood or any shit like that; it was about your use of racial epithets WAAY back in your original rant.
Edit: And FINAL point, a big part of this seems to be that you believe if they started to waste money doing good translations of these, their games would magically start to sell better. I'm sorry, but I don't think so. These games are not what Americans like to play or buy. This is the general response to their games, regardless of how much time they spent translating it, etc: "THIS AINT MADIN OR XBOX. FUKK IT" Regardless of what you say about "KEEPIN STUFFZ" from us in KOF MI, they put a lot of money in to trying to present it to the American audience, paying awful VAs to do English voices and even going so far as to run commercials and pay for adds on WWE. The game was a massive bomb here, so I don't expect to see them take a risk like that again (and this is a prime example of why they don't bother with this shit in the first place) KOF MI didn't bomb in the U.S. because they "held back", it bombed because Americans don't give shit about KOF or SNK. My devil trigger has run out now, I'm tired.
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| Abster
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| "Re(3):This thread is a BLOOD BATH [rimshot]" , posted Mon 27 Jun 12:12
Uh, if it wasn't for Aruze, the NGPC would've given the Game Boy a run for its money. It was getting pretty popular in the states from what I heard.
Could you perhaps ignite your flamable attitude just a bit longer? It's starting to make me laugh considering I haven't blown up yet. How many damn times have I stated the racist statement was NOT for Japanese people in general, just for SNK? You're blowing this way out of proportion, at the same time continuing to kiss SNKP's ass. They were clinging onto their old hardware, but have moved onto newer and better stuff.
Now answer this, if SNK had little audience, then why were their arcades so popular back then? We're not talking just the Japanese audience here we're talking worldwide. Also, SCEA forced Playmore to put english voices into Impact simply for them to approve it.
Get rid of the racist accusations and go back to the debate at hand, the lack of blood in SS Tenka.
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| Undead Fred 2430th Post
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| "Re(4):This thread is a BLOOD BATH [rimshot]" , posted Mon 27 Jun 15:35
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Get rid of the racist accusations and go back to the debate at hand, the lack of blood in SS Tenka.
C'mon, man... unless you have a little brother logging on and posting things in your name, you were the one that started the racism accusations. I'm totally fine with you dropping that line of argument, but don't act like you didn't start it. The "issue at hand" / the lack of blood was, as you said much earlier, a result of Japanese racism. If you've changed your mind and don't think that way any more, that's perfectly fine and no one will rub your nose in it (at least I won't), but again, don't act like you weren't just arguing that back in your earlier posts.
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| Abster
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| "Re(5):This thread is a BLOOD BATH [rimshot]" , posted Mon 27 Jun 15:43
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Get rid of the racist accusations and go back to the debate at hand, the lack of blood in SS Tenka.
C'mon, man... unless you have a little brother logging on and posting things in your name, you were the one that started the racism accusations. I'm totally fine with you dropping that line of argument, but don't act like you didn't start it. The "issue at hand" / the lack of blood was, as you said much earlier, a result of Japanese racism. If you've changed your mind and don't think that way any more, that's perfectly fine and no one will rub your nose in it (at least I won't), but again, don't act like you weren't just arguing that back in your earlier posts.
At least I'm gull enough to admit doing wrong. I just feel that way about SNKP sometimes you know? The lack of blood wasn't a result of SNKP's racism. They don't feel like putting it in, and that what I want to debate about. How and why did they decide to do this? What can we do to ensure all their customers are happy with this game? Of course no game is perfect but still, I want to find a way to convince them somehow to at least consider putting a blood option in. Going to their website and posting the request in their loke test form a buncha times doesn't help. Besides, chances are they'd refuse to read feedback not in Japanese.
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| Undead Fred 2431th Post
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| "Re(6):This thread is a BLOOD BATH [rimshot]" , posted Mon 27 Jun 16:06
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At least I'm gull enough to admit doing wrong. I just feel that way about SNKP sometimes you know? The lack of blood wasn't a result of SNKP's racism. They don't feel like putting it in, and that what I want to debate about. How and why did they decide to do this? What can we do to ensure all their customers are happy with this game? Of course no game is perfect but still, I want to find a way to convince them somehow to at least consider putting a blood option in. Going to their website and posting the request in their loke test form a buncha times doesn't help. Besides, chances are they'd refuse to read feedback not in Japanese.
Yeah, once again, I can understand being upset about them leaving out blood in a Samurai Shodown game... I don't like the idea much, either. I don't think I'm AS bothered, but I don't like it. However, you've got to understand their concern- they just don't have the money to blow on serving markets like the US that are a very big risk. They don't really have the finances to research what we think about their games, so they have to go with the Japanese market that'll actually pay attention, then hope someone here likes it too. Again, the matsuri festival idea is very very likely to be a preventative measure to avoid whining and moaning from media psychos in Japan and the US about violence and blood in video games. Who knows? They may make an option for the home port if the Japanese fans got angry like before, and I'm sure we'd get blood too if it got ported here.
If you want to do something about it, you could get on their site and politely ask that they include the blood as an option or unlockable or something, but don't be surprised if you don't hear from them... even American companies don't always respond to requests or e-mails or whatever from the US market. I'm sure it'd help them out if you wrote it in Japanese, but if you use translating software, you'll want to double-check the translation by putting it back into English and see what it says. I used to draw a little at some Japanese oekakis, and I posted comments using a translation program (Blargfish, of course) just out of politeness or whatever and it would screw up what I wanted to say a lot... and I'd have to go back and forth just for a few sentences. So, be careful if you end up doing that.
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| Professor 2248th Post
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| "Re(3):Blood issue still looks for a solution" , posted Sun 10 Jul 17:17:
Let's let go of this thread before it gets any worse.
Be good to each other, everyone. Don't bash each other.
[Edit: Cripes, I'm late. Missed this thread.]
To answer to Stifu, the SSZero/Rei mode doesn't seem to have the fatality attack.
Actually, there doesn't seem to be any deaths in the game at all. Meaning, the characters don't slice into peices when they get KO'ed with a slash in the final round. Not much of a problem though, since it doesn't effect gameplay. I guess SNKP decided to do away with the violence since their incident with SSZSpecial.
It's also kind of understandable given the current situation within Japan where the general media are blaming videogames for murderous children. Some junior highschool kid went to his old grade school and stabbed a few faculty members, killed one.
Turns out he was a hardcore gamer that wanted to grow up to become a programmer or a game magazine writer. And as usual, the newspapers and TV are having fun in saying that videogames can make kids violent. They evern went to the point of saying that the kid was a BioHazard fan, and he was influenced to slash his old teachers with a knife like the zombies. 
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| Stifu
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| "Re(6):Blood issue still looks for a solution" , posted Mon 11 Jul 03:41:
Although I wish there was blood in the game, I think you're bitching too hard, Abster.
80% of what you say about the game is complain about the lack of blood.
And even though I can understand how you feel, whining about it here will NOT change anything, apart from you getting on people's nerves. This thread is just a proof of that.
I'm not saying that just for what you said in this topic, but also how you brought that up in KTallguy's loke test report thread... You had to be warned like 3 times and threatened with a topic deletion to finally stop ranting about the blood thing there.
When I saw you say "With respect to KTallguy's thread I'm taking the conversation about blood back here", I thought you did that all by yourself, being sensible about it, but I hadn't opened the loke test thread yet... Well, at least you somewhat knew when to stop.
No matter how frustrated you are over the blood issue, you shouldn't pollute any SS discussions with rants that will never be heard by SNKP anyway.
Yet again, it's a shame there will not be at least an option to active blood in the game (apparently at least), but it's not a reason to disrespect other people's wish not to spoil SS topics with that.
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| KTallguy 682th Post
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| "Re(3):Re(10):Blood issue still looks for a so" , posted Mon 11 Jul 15:01
The supposed reasons behind not including blood in the game have already been discussed earlier in the thread. To recap, bascially there's been some controversy lately in Japan about violent videogames. SNK is being careful, it knows that in the Japanese market blood in games is not a make or break factor.
From my experience, Japanese people classify games that feature a lot of explicit violence and such as very "american" games. Case in point, Grand Theft Auto is a very "american game" by Japanese standards. There is a segment of the gaming market that likes these games. However that segment, and the segment that plays Samurai Spirits seem to be completely different spectrums of the market.
SNK knows this, and I sincerely doubt that they have been getting lots of complaints from Japanese players about the lack of blood in the game. Everyone playing the game on that Saturday looked like they were having a decent time, at least.
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Nope, because I still haven't gotten the answers I was looking for.
What exactly are you looking for? None of us work for SNK, we can't get your opinion directly there. They don't read these forums. Any complaints that you have will not reach them anyway.
If the fact that blood is not in the game is that much of a factor, when it's released in the states, don't buy it.
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| Abster
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| "Re(4):Re(10):Blood issue still looks for a so" , posted Mon 11 Jul 15:20
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The supposed reasons behind not including blood in the game have already been discussed earlier in the thread. To recap, bascially there's been some controversy lately in Japan about violent videogames. SNK is being careful, it knows that in the Japanese market blood in games is not a make or break factor.
From my experience, Japanese people classify games that feature a lot of explicit violence and such as very "american" games. Case in point, Grand Theft Auto is a very "american game" by Japanese standards. There is a segment of the gaming market that likes these games. However that segment, and the segment that plays Samurai Spirits seem to be completely different spectrums of the market.
SNK knows this, and I sincerely doubt that they have been getting lots of complaints from Japanese players about the lack of blood in the game. Everyone playing the game on that Saturday looked like they were having a decent time, at least.
What exactly are you looking for? None of us work for SNK, we can't get your opinion directly there. They don't read these forums. Any complaints that you have will not reach them anyway.
If the fact that blood is not in the game is that much of a factor, when it's released in the states, don't buy it.
Well, Playmore needs to take a chance and quit being childish. Did they actually get sued by those arcade operators who were complaing about the "gore" before they censored the AES release of SS0 Special? Did those MVS operators even know that they could adjust the "brutality" level themselves?
GTA is a much different series, and the amount of violence and gore in SS is nowhere near compared to what it is in GTA. SNKP is being too careful, and if there was a way I could directly communicate with them to point that out I would tell them. We're basically helpless against their decisions because they control what we see and can't see, and I'm not about to kiss that kinda company's ass just yet.
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| Spoon 1125th Post
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| "Re(5):Re(10):Blood issue still looks for a so" , posted Mon 11 Jul 15:51:
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The supposed reasons behind not including blood in the game have already been discussed earlier in the thread. To recap, bascially there's been some controversy lately in Japan about violent videogames. SNK is being careful, it knows that in the Japanese market blood in games is not a make or break factor.
From my experience, Japanese people classify games that feature a lot of explicit violence and such as very "american" games. Case in point, Grand Theft Auto is a very "american game" by Japanese standards. There is a segment of the gaming market that likes these games. However that segment, and the segment that plays Samurai Spirits seem to be completely different spectrums of the market.
SNK knows this, and I sincerely doubt that they have been getting lots of complaints from Japanese players about the lack of blood in the game. Everyone playing the game on that Saturday looked like they were having a decent time, at least.
What exactly are you looking for? None of us work for SNK, we can't get your opinion directly there. They don't read these forums. Any complaints that you have will not reach them anyway.
If the fact that blood is not in the game is that much of a factor, when it's released in the states, don't buy it.
Well, Playmore needs to take a chance and quit being childish. Did they actually get sued by those arcade operators who were complaing about the "gore" before they censored the AES release of SS0 Special? Did those MVS operators even know that they could adjust the "brutality" level themselves?
GTA is a much different series, and the amount of violence and gore in SS is nowhere near compared to what it is in GTA. SNKP is being too careful, and if there was a way I could directly communicate with them to point that out I would tell them. We're basically helpless against their decisions because they control what we see and can't see, and I'm not about to kiss that kinda company's ass just yet.
I'm hella sore about there being no Fist of the North Star characters in Jump SuperStars. I mean, it's retarded that the game should just pander to the undying march of Dragonball and the kids who are into modern Jump. The gory, manly epics of JoJo and Kenshiro ought to stand alongside the modern works to mark the greatness that they are, the current audience BE DAMNED.
If anybody who just read the above paragraph and found it deeply reasonable and moving, then I'm sorry, I can't help you.
Yes, I will always love the "three flower petals" fatality animation in SS1. Yes, SS is better with gore.
But! OMG! We can't just "get over it"! Because that would be caving in to the ignorant pressures that would attempt to coerce such changes into our beloved niche franchises!
Not to worry, the game will be great, and in a year's time, we'll have a better game. And, that game will have gore, since everyone else will have forgotten about these current rumblings or have gotten over them by then. If not, by then this game will be out on MAME or whatever and we'll all play it for free in the closet, so who cares anyway: you can't argue with free.
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| "Re(4):Re(10):Blood issue still looks for a so" , posted Mon 11 Jul 16:14
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You've gotten answers. You even gave some yourself, before you started ranting that SNK was racist for removing blood from the game.
(Which was rather silly itself. You complained that SNK censored the blood in the earlier American games, and then called SNK racist for removing blood from all versions of this game. That is about like saying that "everyone" wants blood in the game, even though obviously some people don't (as is shown by occasional complaints against violent games) and people on this very board have said they don't really mind it being gone.)
Personally, I'd rather it be there. But I'm not going to turn rabid for weeks due to its absence.
It is their game. The majority of people aren't going to boycott SNK just because blood is removed. By removing blood, they can claim the game to be more "friendly" even if you still have people hitting each other with sharp weapons as well as firing guns and bows and the like at each other. That is true worldwide, not just in Japan or America. And they go a bit more under the radar from complaints in the process.
From what I heard, SS Tenka will be the last of the series for a while, so this is do or die for the series.
I haven't gotten one single explanation as to how the matsuri festival setting fills in to why the game is bloodless. This festival practices antiviolence, yet we've got swords clashing with one another. Sounds hypocritical don't you think? And I am shocked that there are people who don't care or mind about the blood removal. That to me makes up a huge part of the series character and setting. What kind of weak hearted people do we have here? If you don't like the blood and "gore", the game is not for you. Don't play it! It's that simple.
I didn't call SNK racist because they killed off all blood in this game, I think they're racist because they treated their non-Japanese audience like shit since the beginning. It was a dumb rant that spun off from my main argument.
They should learn to ignore little complaints. It was proven with SS0 Special that they care more about soccer moms than their whole Neo Geo fanbase.
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| Sano 1872th Post
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| "Re(6):Re(10):Blood issue still looks for a so" , posted Wed 13 Jul 10:03:
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I'm hella sore about there being no Fist of the North Star characters in Jump SuperStars. I mean, it's retarded that the game should just pander to the undying march of Dragonball and the kids who are into modern Jump. The gory, manly epics of JoJo and Kenshiro ought to stand alongside the modern works to mark the greatness that they are, the current audience BE DAMNED.
Kujo Jotaro has been confirmed to be in Jump Superstars.
But doesn't Raijin own the license to the Fist of the North Star characters now? Could they even use Fist characters in Jump Superstars? And yeash, Jump Superstars has like 30+ playable characters plus a bunch of support characters and Fist is getting it's own 2D Fighter from Sammy, who cares? You just want to make Yugi's brain explode... don't worry man, the Yu-Gi-Oh! fad will pass...
Oh, I like blood, won't effect me buying this game or not though. If Charlotte is in it, Sano will buy it.
Ryu and Chun-Li forever!
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| Spoon 1127th Post
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| "Re(7):Re(10):Blood issue still looks for a so" , posted Wed 13 Jul 11:17
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I'm hella sore about there being no Fist of the North Star characters in Jump SuperStars. I mean, it's retarded that the game should just pander to the undying march of Dragonball and the kids who are into modern Jump. The gory, manly epics of JoJo and Kenshiro ought to stand alongside the modern works to mark the greatness that they are, the current audience BE DAMNED.
Kujo Jotaro has been confirmed to be in Jump Superstars.
But doesn't Raijin own the license to the Fist of the North Star characters now? Could they even use Fist characters in Jump Superstars? And yeash, Jump Superstars has like 30+ playable characters plus a bunch of support characters and Fist is getting it's own 2D Fighter from Sammy, who cares? You just want to make Yugi's brain explode... don't worry man, the Yu-Gi-Oh! fad will pass...
Come now, you know what I meant :)
I'm going to stubbornly refuse to accept any claim that Jotaro is in JSS until I see really solid evidence that he is in. Kinda like how Abster over here stubbornly clings to his beliefs about blood in SS. About the only evidence I have seen about Jotaro being in the game is from that picture on that site that pollyanna linked to once, and that picture comes with a disclaimer saying that it isn't confirmed to be real.
Btw, I don't know if Raijin actually owns the license to the Fist of the North Star characters or if they simply got it during the time which they were releasing Fist of the North Star here in North America, and their hold over it dissipated after they (Raijin) did. Certainly, they don't own the license for it over in Japan.
And no, I don't want to make Yugi's head explode with Kenshiro. Yugi entertains me too much with his outrageous English voices. I'd much rather like to see Kenshiro or Jotaro do things like... say, shrug off the Death Note and go, "It is an evil man like YOU who doesn't deserve to live! ORAORAORAORAORAORAORA/ATATATATATATATATATATA"
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Spoon doesn't say it's gay to chase girls, it's not enjoying the chasing that makes it gay. :p
Abster gets it right!
Somehow, english here is so mangled that such a notion was misinterpreted???
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| Baines
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| "pow, zap, wham" , posted Mon 18 Jul 05:49
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I've been having nightmares about this lack of blood. Everything now's gonna be pow, zap, wham, and everything else.
Pow, zap, wham? Holy decapitated samurai, Batman, Adam West was in your nightmare?
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| Spoon 1145th Post
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| "Re(1):pow, zap, wham" , posted Mon 18 Jul 05:56
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I've been having nightmares about this lack of blood. Everything now's gonna be pow, zap, wham, and everything else.
Pow, zap, wham? Holy decapitated samurai, Batman, Adam West was in your nightmare?
But Viewtiful Joe is awesome.
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| Abster
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| "Re(2):pow, zap, wham" , posted Mon 18 Jul 06:10
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I've been having nightmares about this lack of blood. Everything now's gonna be pow, zap, wham, and everything else.
Pow, zap, wham? Holy decapitated samurai, Batman, Adam West was in your nightmare?
Who knows, but I've been watching a lot of Adam West Batman lately. :p
But tossing a shiruken into someone is supposed to draw blood right? Wrong! Now you just get s shitty hitspark along with a pow sound effect.
This matsuri stuff is also shitty because the music is gonna get modified to something like a circus.
There's no substitution for dedication. -TeamTNT-
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| kofoguz
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| "Re(5):pow, zap, wham" , posted Mon 18 Jul 07:11
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A Japanese festival is a bit different from an American circus, dude.
And ferchrissakes, they're not going to add goofy sound effects just because your precious blood isn't in.
They're both celebrations. There are fireworks and everything. The only difference is culture and animals. This is nothing like what previous SS games have been, even the first two. This is all kiddie stuff. Don't be surprised to get goofy sound effects to go along with the shitty hitsparks. Blood is not only a precious trademark to this series, but it's essential. No blood = not a SS game. Fuck everyone who thinks otherwise.
Well, fuck you for forcing us to see nightmares as you do and I'm really sick of your whinings. You know what I hope they wont add blood. What I saw is a nice ss game, so fuck blood.Spark and sword sound thats fine with me. Fuck you, again abster.
I dont want to say this but If your so addicted to blood effect, go find a way to head to the Japan, then find SNKP's building and tie yourself with chains to something and say im not leaving till you add blood to ss tenka.And leave us alone.Arghhh, Im done.
here is kapadokya/cappadocia
Link Here.php?main=4&sub=1
and pamukkale
Link Here
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| Abster
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| "Re(6):pow, zap, wham" , posted Mon 18 Jul 09:06
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You know what I hope they wont add blood. What I saw is a nice ss game, so fuck blood.Spark and sword sound thats fine with me.
Well, fuck you for wanting to support soccer moms. Burn in hell you fucking baby.
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I dont want to say this but If your so addicted to blood effect, go find a way to head to the Japan, then find SNKP's building and tie yourself with chains to something and say im not leaving till you add blood to ss tenka.And leave us alone.Arghhh, Im done.
Like I said, if I had a way to get there and make them do it I would.
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you know nothing about Japanese festivals. Don't open your mouth about stuff you know nothing about
Why don't you try to stop me then bitch? I've looked up full definitions of matsuri and not in a single spot did it say anything about lack of bloodshed as being a requirement for any of these kinda festivals. This theme is something those assholes at SNK Playwhore came up with, and are gonna stick in our faces. In exchange for everything else, SS fans get robbed of the legitimacy of one of its best franchises.
There's no substitution for dedication. -TeamTNT-
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| kofoguz
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| "Re(6):pow, zap, wham" , posted Mon 18 Jul 10:03
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Well, fuck you for wanting to support soccer moms. Burn in hell you fucking baby.
Wrong,I'm not supporting soccer moms I'm just pissed off.
Fuck you for wishing me to burn in hell for a simple game.
Fuck you for your continously cryin' about blood weeks and weeks.
Fuck you...
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Abster, you've stopped coming over as somebody who is very upset about this and now seem like nothing more than a raving loon. Please, just stop complaining, we KNOW you're upset, you don't need to tell us another fifteen-hundred times. Give it a rest, complaining here ....
I wish that noone asked him "what is soul calibur route?" ever.He never stopped since then. He's complaining in neo-geo.com forums,too and it is not enough for him complaining there.
Abster,Just stop ok,we get that you desperately want blood in sstenka,you dont see matsuri as an excuse. Please tell me whats my fault to hear these endless whinings.And theres no official confirmation about no blood in the game.
Please just stop.
here is kapadokya/cappadocia
Link Here.php?main=4&sub=1
and pamukkale
Link Here
Hi from Türkiye
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| Abster
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| "Re(7):pow, zap, wham" , posted Mon 18 Jul 10:18:
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I wish that noone asked him "what is soul calibur route?" ever.He never stopped since then. He's complaining in neo-geo.com forums,too and it is not enough for him complaining there.
Abster,Just stop ok,we get that you desperately want blood in sstenka,you dont see matsuri as an excuse. Please tell me whats my fault to hear these endless whinings.And theres no official confirmation about no blood in the game.
Please just stop.
Well, Iggy convinced me a while ago that there is a link between the lack of blood and the matsuri festival. It makes me go back to the question I started with, and that is, what is this link between matsuri and lack of blood? Can't someone just explain this to me?
The Soul Calibur route is very simple. You get a huge axe going halfway through your body and not a single ounce of blood.
You're just complaining to my complaints and not offering to help me out on my request.
There is official confirmation that SNKP doesn't intend to put the blood in. Just look at the Arcadia screenshots, and loketest reports. It's more than obvious SNKP is hellbent on keeping blood out of this game. They don't need to place an official confirmation statement on their site or anything. A picture says 1000 words.
There's no substitution for dedication. -TeamTNT-
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"Re(2):Ken Samu pushed back" , posted Sat 25 Jun 12:25
"Re(5):Re(10):Re(10):Ken Samu pushed back" , posted Mon 27 Jun 06:30
...I guess smoking after sex just isn't for me... 
<educational mode> No, chasing a girl is not gay. You have it backwards. 
