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| Satoshi Miwa 2784th Post
 
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|  "Re(1):PS3 to be last PS?" , posted Fri 1 Dec 15:53
It's an amusing read, even more amusing and zany than the PS3 launch (And that's a stretch and a half). But it's based on so much faulty logic that even I could poke holes in it...
Like Sony going the Software route like Sega did. The big flaw to this logic is that Sony isn't really known for first party software. They have some in house studios, and a bunch of second party studios they have tied up in contracts to push systems. But they don't have anywhere near the software ability to survive on producing games alone.
Also, why would Sony want to follow Sega? We all saw how well Sega working as a third party developer has worked for them (See the new Sonic Game on the 360). To say they would follow that path is insanity in itself.
The other flaw is that even though the launch has been pure and utter BS, it's only been 3-4 weeks into the launch. It's a little bit too early to be burying the console completely, especially before MGS4 and FFXIII. If at this time next year the Ps3 is pushing Virtual Boy or Atari 5200 numbers than we can predict this, but to do it now is a bit foolish. Cause if we judged on launches alone the Dreamcast (God bless it) would of won the last round of system wars.
And the other big flaw is the view on Kutragi. Even though he's almost at Yamauchi levels of Bat Shit crazy he's still led the division that has made the most money for Sony over the last few years. It's too early in the game for him to fall on his sword over the PS3...
Plus, what's in it for Sony to be only a game maker and not a hardware maker? The branch in charge of SCEJ and SCEA is the electronics division and I doubt they have any desire to be in the market unless they are making hardware. And I don't see Sony's movie division jumping in as Hollywood and game studios mix like Sodium and Water...
Still, stuff like this is why I love this console war. Though really, can I not pull for any of the 3 to win and wish for an NEC comeback with a new PC Engine?
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| Baines
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| "Re(2):PS3 to be last PS?" , posted Fri 1 Dec 18:42
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Get ready folks, and get a hold of your Wii. Sony may or may not survive this console war (IMO).
If Blu-Ray succeeds, Sony succeeds no matter what happens.
The Playstation brand still has serious support, and the PS3 will eventually drop in price.
The Wii cannot compete with what the PS3 can do. And a decent number of people probably will still continue to avoid the XBox brand. People will wait. Those that won't are the kind of people that would go ahead and buy a PS3 in a couple of years anyway once the price is down. There will continue to be a market for the PS3, keeping the developer/buyer feedback loop going as long as Sony doesn't completely kill itself.
The Wii is the riskiest shot at gaining a chunk of market share. The remote might not pan out in the long run. Motion/position sensing reflected in games still has some rough spots and a ways to go despite Nintendo's hype and PR messages. A lot of gimmicky games will likely be made for the first couple of years, which could hurt long term user support. Look at the early life of the DS when stylus support was being shoehorned into games whether they benefited or not. Look at GBA/GC linking shoved into games. It could work in the long term, or it could get a bad rep.
And remember that while the Wii cannot copy the PS3, the PS3 can presumably copy the Wii. Sony already has the SixAxis, which can copy the most basic bits of the Wii controller plans. If something more extreme really does take off for Nintendo, Sony can copy that as well.
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| nobinobita
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| "Re(3):PS3 to be last PS?" , posted Sat 2 Dec 07:01
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The Wii cannot compete with what the PS3 can do. ...
The Wii is the riskiest shot at gaining a chunk of market share. The remote might not pan out in the long run.
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And remember that while the Wii cannot copy the PS3, the PS3 can presumably copy the Wii. Sony already has the SixAxis, which can copy the most basic bits of the Wii controller plans.
I gotta disagree with you on this one. You gotta look at this as a regular consumer instead of a gamer.
Why is the iPod the most popular mp3 player?
Because it looks nice, it's functional, and it has a good marketing campaign (and some brandname recognition).
It's not the best mp3 player out there. You can get higher capacity players with tons more memory and more features and better battery life, and they'd be cheaper to boot. But Apple took over the market anyway, because an average consumer isn't going to look too hard at the specs.
Nintendo has all those things going for it and more. It's getting incredibly good press from tons of mainstream sources, it's got an amazing novelty factor and a good brandname (although they are playing down the name somewhat, emphasising "Wii" over "Nintendo"). And it's cheaper than the competition.
I KNOW Nintendo will rule the next generation, because I've seen middle aged men and women playing it and enjoying it (some of them were senior citzens). Nintendo is really expanding the market, and it's not just new speak press jargon. I see it going on around me.
Nintendo is still cool and fun. Gamers may think that they're kiddy (well, the dumb ones anyway), but the average person will think that Mario is cooler than Master Chief. Mario is a cultural icon, Master Chief is some guy from some geeky game. The average person (non gamer) will take novelty and fun over glorious graphics.
Even if Sony copies the Wii's functions, you'll still need to buy a PS3 to enjoy it, and it costs twice as much.
At the same time, I don't think Sony is just going to roll over and die. They've already established themselves as a mainstream gaming source, and anyone with a job and some extra cash can afford to get one.
I think Nintendo's going to come out on top, but I think that Microsoft and Sony will still pull in decent numbers.
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| Bata kun 2984th Post
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| "Re(4):PS3 to be last PS?" , posted Sat 2 Dec 12:50
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NEC comeback with a new PC Engine?
I'M READY
Me too. Especially if they can come up with a modern update of the SWEET EXTREME US name Turbografx for today's gamers. Ultragraphix
Uh, I don't think that name can work, can it seeing that Konami did have Ultra Games? Then again, Yoshizumi Wataru-san did create a series called "Ultra Maniac". So, I'm caught there.
Aside from the name thing, I say that Satoshi has the right to not pull for any of the 3 to win and wish for an NEC comeback with a new PC Engine. He's ready. Brackt's ready also. Maou's ready as well. You know that I'll following suit, even though there was that PC FX. We, the good people of Madman's Cafe, as well as our old comrades, should make a petition and tell NEC to make a new PC engine.
As much as I hate Sony, Sony has to do well and make that PS4. Why? You kill off Sony, you kill off not only the ren'ai and visual novel sections, you kill off shooters and fighters as well. Er, let me rephrase that last part. You kill off old "Contra-esque" and "Gradius-esque" shooters and 2D fighters. Plus, the war would be boring now, wouldn't it?
ふもっふ！
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| Pollyanna 2086th Post
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| "Re(5):PS3 to be last PS?" , posted Sat 2 Dec 14:14
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You kill off old "Contra-esque" and "Gradius-esque" shooters and 2D fighters. Plus, the war would be boring now, wouldn't it?
I wouldn't say that, given that you could get GGX/X, Capcom and SNK fighters on Xbox. More recent releases have most likely stopped only because Microsoft has more or less abandoned the system.
Also, how many of these type of games have you seen planned for PS3? On Wii you have the Metal Slug collection and on 360 you have Fatal Fury Special (and the cancelled NGBC, which even being cancelled is more than PS3 has). I would say Sony is lagging behind in the very category you say they're necessary for. The huge push for graphical superiority may also limit "old looking" 2D games from being made on the system.
I think 2D fighters are a niche market, and are ported to PS2, because it has the largest installed user base. When you have a risky genre of game, you don't release it on a risky system. If there was less competition in the market, it might actually do GOOD for niche games.
nobinobita
I actually agree with most of your points about Nintendo, but your somewhat exaggerated praise of them makes me feel like I shouldn't.
Also, does anyone know what effect this announcement had on Sony stock?
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| Bata kun 2985th Post
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| "Re(6):PS3 to be last PS?" , posted Sat 2 Dec 14:55
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You kill off old "Contra-esque" and "Gradius-esque" shooters and 2D fighters. Plus, the war would be boring now, wouldn't it?
I wouldn't say that, given that you could get GGX/X, Capcom and SNK fighters on Xbox. More recent releases have most likely stopped only because Microsoft has more or less abandoned the system.
Also, how many of these type of games have you seen planned for PS3? On Wii you have the Metal Slug collection and on 360 you have Fatal Fury Special (and the cancelled NGBC, which even being cancelled is more than PS3 has). I would say Sony is lagging behind in the very category you say they're necessary for. The huge push for graphical superiority may also limit "old looking" 2D games from being made on the system.
I think 2D fighters are a niche market, and are ported to PS2, because it has the largest installed user base. When you have a risky genre of game, you don't release it on a risky system. If there was less competition in the market, it might actually do GOOD for niche games.
nobinobita
I actually agree with most of your points about Nintendo, but your somewhat exaggerated praise of them makes me feel like I shouldn't.
Also, does anyone know what effect this announcement had on Sony stock?
I guess that's true, but really, do you think the PS2 can last for another 6 years? 3 or 4, maybe, but 6 is pushing it. Then again, the DC has been around for a while now.
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| Satoshi Miwa 2785th Post
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| "Re(7):PS3 to be last PS?" , posted Sat 2 Dec 16:18
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I guess that's true, but really, do you think the PS2 can last for another 6 years? 3 or 4, maybe, but 6 is pushing it. Then again, the DC has been around for a while now.
Virtual Arcade may be a home for a lot of the old 2D games if the systems allow for it. Sony seems to be a bit more liberal with it's file size than Microsoft, and the Wii seems to be going more pure old school emulation.
But yeah, right now the home for those kinda of games is the PS2 so there is no real reason to switch as of yet.
In any event, more competition is what will keep the niche games out there. If we switch to a Microsoft, Sony, or Nintendo monopoly we may never see niche games like that on a console. In one way that is why this console war is also the most promising, as companies can call more shots now (Just like EA did with Sega back in the SNES/Genesis Days...).
Or we can go with the Game Wave http://www.zapitgames.com/ (Made in Canada) just like Insert Credit suggests we do! (I know I'll be camping out in the BC Rains for it...)
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