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| tianyuan2k4
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|  "Sengoku Basara X (Cross) Discussion Thread" , posted Wed 30 Jan 07:59
Sengoku Basara X (Cross)
Maker: Capcom / Arc System Works
Motherboard: System 246/256
Release Date: Mid March
Price: 398,000 Yen (System 256 PCB set)
Official Website:
http://www.capcom.co.jp/basara-x/
Discussion Forum:
http://sbx.freeforums.org/index.php
Past Location Test Videos:
http://sbx.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=172
Notation
7 8 9 ↖ ↑ ↗
4 5 6 ← o →
1 2 3 ↙ ↓ ↘
A B C
E
A = Weak
B = Medium
C = Strong
E = Engun
System
Dash 66
Back Dash 44
Air Dash Tap 66 or 44 while in the air
Double Jump Tap up during a jump
High Jump Tap down, then up.
Throw close to opponent 4/6+C
Air Throw close to opponent while in the air 4/6+C
Tech Hit press any attack button while reeling in the air.
Aerial Attack 2+B+C, hold up to pursue when it hits
Aerial Spike During an aerial combo, 2+C
Blast Attack B+C (hold), hold forward to pursue when it hits
Unblockable Attack 6+B+C (1/2 Basara stock)
Guard Cancel Block, then 6+B+C (1 Basara stock)
Perfect Guard 4+A+B
Just Defense Block an attack just before it hits
When Engun gauge available to use
Engun Attack E or 2E while idle
Engun Hit Cancel Press E to cancel engun attack's recovery when attack hits.
Engun Aerial Press E in the air
Engun Assist E during certain Basara moves (1 Basara stock)
Engun Counter E while being hit (1 Basara stock, minus 30 Engun Level)
Engun Block E when opponent does Engun Counter (1 Basara stock)
Movelist
Date Masamune
Engun: Katakura Kojuurou
JET-X ↓↘→ + A hold (Air)
DEATH FANG →↓↘ + B hold (Air)
MAGNUM STEP ↓↙← + C
WAR DANCE ↓↘→ + B, B rapidly
RE-BITE ↓↙← + A
PHANTOM DIVE ↓↙←↓↙← + C
HELL DRAGON ↓↘→↓↘→ + C (Engun ASSIST)
HELL END DRAGON ↓↙←↙↓↘→ + C
Sanada Yukimura
Engun: Takeda Shingen & Sarutobi Sasuke
Koen Ichi ↓↘→ + A hold
Koen Ni ↓↘→ + B
Koen San →↓↘ + C hold (Air)
Suzakushou ↓↙← + C (Air)
Rekka ↓↙← + B -> ↓↙← + B
Daikaen Hanabi ↓↙←↓↙← + C
Shakunetsu Enouha ↓↘→↓↘→ + C (Engun ASSIST)
Nekketsu! Daihunka! ↓↙←↙↓↘→ + C
Maeda Keiji
Engun: Maeda Toshiie & Matsu
Yoko Renbo ↓↘→ + A hold
Koi no Togegoe ↓↙← + A/B
Hitori Zumou close to opponent ↓↘→ + C
Koi no Saya-ate ↓↙← + C
Shitakogare ↓↘→ + B hold
Koi no Arashi ↓↙←↓↙← + C
Hitome Bore ↓↘→↓↘→ + C (Engun ASSIST)
Matsuri da! Wasshoi! ↓↙←↙↓↘→ + C
Uesugi Kenshin
Engun: Kasuga
Shin-na (Chi) ↓↘→ + A
Shin-na (Ten) ↓↘→ + B
Shinshou →↓↘ + B (Air)
Shinjin ↓↙← + C hold
Shinsoku ↓↘→ + C
⇒ Shinzan A
⇒ Shin-en B
Shinpan (Chi) ↓↙← + A
Shinpan (Ten) ↓↙← + B
Shinkyou ↓↙←↓↙← + C
Shinretsu ↓↘→↓↘→ + C (Engun ASSIST)
Shiniki ↓↙←↙↓↘→ + C
Oda Nobunaga
Engun: Nouhime & Mori Ranmaru
Enrai Harukanari ↓↘→ + A (Air)
Yakusai no Toge ↓↘→ + C hold
Ugatareru Shinku (Yoh) after standing guard, A/B/C
Ugatareru Shinku (In) after crouching guard, A/B/C
Doukoku suru Tamashii ↓↙← + C
After collecting souls
⇒ Hadou ↓↙← + A
⇒ Sange ↓↙← + B
Shi ni Itaru Yamai ↓↘→↓↘→ + C
Kurushi wo Kuramu Kurenai ↓↙←↓↙← + C (Engun ASSIST)
Shikabane ni Otsuru Shiro ↓↙←↙↓↘→ + C
Toyotomi Hideyoshi
Engun: Takenaka Hanbei
Denkou Rekki close to opponent ↓↙← + A
Kaijin Ranka ↓↘→ + A/B
Tenchi Sousou →↓↘ + B
Haja Shouten ↓↙← + B・B (rapidly)・C
Ifuubanjou ↓↙← + C hold
Enbugouhaku close to opponent ↓↙←↓↙← + C
Kongou Hametsu ↓↘→↓↘→ + C (Engun ASSIST)
Hadou Tenshou ↓↙←↙↓↘→ + C
Mōri Motonari
Engun: Mōri Army Soldiers
Hajiki Te "Heki" ↓↘→ + A/B, →↓↘ + A/B hold (Air)
Sen no Te "Hatsu" ↓↙← + A/B/C
Madoi no Te "Kyo" after Rei - Kyojitsu Secchi, ↓↓ + C
Rei - Kyojitsu Secchi ↓↓ + E
Rei - Yumihei (Zensha) ↓↘→ + E
Rei - Yumihei (Jousha) ↓↙← + E
Rei - Yarihei (Zenshin) E
Rei - Yarihei (Joushou) →↓↘ + E
Rei - Yarihei (Kakou) ←↓↙ + E
Kinji Te "Baku" ↓↙←↓↙← + C
Hasami Te "Heki" ↓↘→↓↘→ + C (Engun ASSIST)
Mōri Gun Shukyoku Saihai ↓↙←↙↓↘→ + C
Chousokabe Motochika
Engun: Mechanical Weapons
Isshoku ↓↘→ + A hold
Dokyuu →↓↘ + A/B, ←↓↙ + A/B (Air)
⇒ Kyuutome A
⇒ Kaiten B
⇒ Rakka C
Mechanical Weapon Production Demands
Niohkuruma Engun Lv.1~ & 2000 Gold, E + A
Mokki Engun Lv.50~ & 5000 Gold, E + B
Mekki Engun Lv.100 & 10000 Gold, E + C
Gora - Ichigeki ↓↙←↓↙← + C
⇒ Gora - Nigeki ↓
Shibaku ↓↘→↓↘→ + C hold(Engun ASSIST)
Sennichi Kouro ↓↙←↙↓↘→ + C
Oichi
Engun: Azai Nagamasa
Mamore Ne no Nushi - Yoh The same time opponent attacks, →
Mamore Ne no Nushi - In The same time opponent attacks, ↓
Hirake Ne no Koku →↓↘ + A
⇒ Utsuro A
⇒ Umi B
⇒ ????? → + B
⇒ Shoku C
⇒ Nageki ↓ + C
⇒ ?????? ↓↙← + C
Madoe Hi no You - Yoh air ↓↘→ + B
Madoe Hi no You - In air ↓↙← + B
Kobame Hi no Uzu - Yoh ↓↘→ + B
Kobame Hi no Uzu - In ↓↙← + B
Tsudoene no Yume ↓↙←↓↙← + C (Air)
Kimarehi no Ame ↓↘→↓↘→ + C (Engun ASSIST)
Itareshi no Fuchi ↓↙←↙↓↘→ + C
Honda Tadakatsu
Engun: Tokugawa Ieyasu
Normal Bomb ↓↘→ + A/B/C hold (Air)
⇒ Time Bomb →↓↘ + A/B/C
⇒ Floating Bomb After Ieyasu arrived ↓↙← + A/B/C
Flying Mode After Ieyasu arrived ←↓↙ + A (Air)
Sengoku Drill air ↓↓ + B
Electric Field ↓↙←↓↙← + C
Super Drill ↓↘→↓↘→ + C (Engun ASSIST)
Sengoku Saikyou - Saidai Shutsuryoku ↓↙←↙↓↘→ + C
Sengoku Basara X (Cross) Discussion Forum:
http://sbx.freeforums.org/index.php
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| Iggy 8349th Post
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| "Re(7):Sengoku Basara X (Cross) Discussion Thr" , posted Fri 1 Feb 18:56
Oh, thanks, I hadn't seen the last new characters of Arcana Heart 2. Besides the colour of Dorothy's shoes and the misspelled "de" Conti, I really like the girls...
The new arcanas look nice and all, but I'm afraid that with so many possibilities, some totally broken combinations stay unnoticed before the release...
Oh, well. If they make a Full version afterwards, it's no big deal.
And of course, the biggest concern will be : will the centers actually buy the game, after the travesty of the FULL version, especially with so many other games coming ? I would hate it if it ended up being The Rumble Fish 2 all over again.
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| tianyuan2k4
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| "Re(8):Re(10):Sengoku Basara X (Cross) Discuss" , posted Sun 17 Feb 04:31
The word on the street right now is, the game is too balanced, smooth and glitch free... Let's try something insanely unbalanced, broken, glitchy like BlazBlue, Arcana Heart 2 and Street Fighter 4... Good game will never get popular, this something Capcom has to change about this game. You know, create something close to Yun/Chunli in SF33, OSagat/Claw in SF2X, Iroi/Chizuru/Daimon in KOF98, Mishimas in Tekken, Eddie/Slayer/Testement in GGAC. That's the ultimate secret of making a game popular my friend... Learn Capcom learn!
Sengoku Basara X (Cross) Discussion Forum:
http://sbx.freeforums.org/index.php
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| Pollyanna 2444th Post
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| "Re(9):Re(10):Sengoku Basara X (Cross) Discuss" , posted Sun 17 Feb 08:32
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The word on the street right now is, the game is too balanced, smooth and glitch free... Let's try something insanely unbalanced, broken, glitchy like BlazBlue, Arcana Heart 2 and Street Fighter 4... Good game will never get popular, this something Capcom has to change about this game. You know, create something close to Yun/Chunli in SF33, OSagat/Claw in SF2X, Iroi/Chizuru/Daimon in KOF98, Mishimas in Tekken, Eddie/Slayer/Testement in GGAC. That's the ultimate secret of making a game popular my friend... Learn Capcom learn!
Well, I'll believe it when I see it, but hearing that it's balanced at least on some level is very reassuring. I think you're tragically right about people craving bad balance, though...or at least some easy way to dominate. Every time I go to an arcade, all I see are people using a small set of characters and abusing a small set of moves. It's sickening.
The opening isn't great, but it beats the hell out of the last one.
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| TreIII
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| "Re(9):Re(10):Sengoku Basara X (Cross) Discuss" , posted Sun 17 Feb 12:36
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The word on the street right now is, the game is too balanced, smooth and glitch free... Let's try something insanely unbalanced, broken, glitchy like BlazBlue, Arcana Heart 2 and Street Fighter 4... Good game will never get popular, this something Capcom has to change about this game. You know, create something close to Yun/Chunli in SF33, OSagat/Claw in SF2X, Iroi/Chizuru/Daimon in KOF98, Mishimas in Tekken, Eddie/Slayer/Testement in GGAC. That's the ultimate secret of making a game popular my friend... Learn Capcom learn!
Well, I think that the overall thing was that Capom wanted ASW to make this game as balanced as possible, so that the actual BASARA fans will be more inclined to play it. If it was going to be another HnK, the hardcore gamers might end up liking it more, but it would come at the expense of attracting a wider variety of fans, and thus wouldn't do much to make Capcom and ASW money.
That said, I think that this game is going to be fine. If it is indeed more balanced, that might do more to give the game some longevity, as well as, again, attract more gamers to it. For instance, games like Melty Blood did better overall because it was a game that was both based on a license that people loved, as well as being a predominantly "balanced" product (most of the time). If BASARA can do that on its own end, it will be a success.
Dokuganryu wa Date jya ne you see?
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| Iggy 8378th Post
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| "Re(10):Re(10):Sengoku Basara X (Cross) Discus" , posted Sun 17 Feb 18:07:
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The word on the street right now is, the game is too balanced, smooth and glitch free...
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Capom wanted ASW to make this game as balanced as possible, so that the actual BASARA fans will be more inclined to play it.
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The word on the street right now is, the game is too balanced, smooth and glitch free...
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Capom wanted ASW to make this game as balanced as possible, so that the actual BASARA fans will be more inclined to play it.
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The word on the street right now is, the game is too balanced, smooth and glitch free...
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Capom wanted ASW to make this game as balanced as possible, so that the actual BASARA fans will be more inclined to play it.
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The word on the street right now is, the game is too balanced, smooth and glitch free...
quote:
Capom wanted ASW to make this game as balanced as possible, so that the actual BASARA fans will be more inclined to play it.
quote:
The word on the street right now is, the game is too balanced, smooth and glitch free...
quote:
Capom wanted ASW to make this game as balanced as possible, so that the actual BASARA fans will be more inclined to play it.
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The word on the street right now is, the game is too balanced, smooth and glitch free...
quote:
Capom wanted ASW to make this game as balanced as possible, so that the actual BASARA fans will be more inclined to play it.
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The word on the street right now is, the game is too balanced, smooth and glitch free...
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Capom wanted ASW to make this game as balanced as possible, so that the actual BASARA fans will be more inclined to play it.
[this message was edited by Iggy on Sun 17 Feb 18:11] |
| TreIII
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| "Re(2):Sengoku Basara X hits PS2 this June!" , posted Fri 4 Apr 11:41
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The video is really good (thoug not in quality) but I'm not excited about Basara license at all. I mean, it's Capcom, they have a lot better stuff than this series to lend to AKSYS and make a good fighting game. I really hope AKSYS will riceve more attention by Capcom to make 2D fighters. I know the animation should have done better, but the last 2 GG games were very good gameplay-wise, and I don't complain the quality of AKSYS products anymore.
Well, two things:
For one, it's Arc Systems Works who's making this game. AkSys is the company who takes the time to localize games. It's easy to get 'em confused, I'll grant you...
For two...the BASARA license was utilized because it was a sound decision, for more than one reason. Main one being? It's no secret that the brand is one of Capcom's newest and yet VERY popular brands in Japan, to the point that only a veritable powerhouse series, like Monster Hunter, clearly outweighs it in importance on Capcom's "profitability scale".
So, in other words, it's a game made by a prominent fighting game developer, for the Japanese fans that adore the franchise and its characters. I highly doubt that the game will ever come over here, seeing how Devil Kings tanked so badly, but again, this was something that ASW and Capcom wanted to have done. Street Fighter 4 is going to be the thing for Americans.
Dokuganryu wa Date jya ne you see?
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| Iggy 8443th Post
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| "Re(3):Sengoku Basara X hits PS2 this June!" , posted Fri 4 Apr 18:12
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Main one being? It's no secret that the brand is one of Capcom's newest and yet VERY popular brands in Japan, to the point that only a veritable powerhouse series, like Monster Hunter, clearly outweighs it in importance on Capcom's "profitability scale".
No.
Basara is an OK license, but nothing like a DMC, Onimusha, MH, Bio Hazard or even the latest Rockman spinoffs. It's maybe as profitable as Full House Kiss, and of course better than any Clover licenses, but, oh well.
It is an intermediate series (the budget for each title shows it) and it doesn't exist outside Japan.
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So, in other words, it's a game made by one of the very few remaining fighting game developer, for the Japanese fansgirls that adore the franchise and its characters.
Fixed.
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| TreIII
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| "Re(4):Sengoku Basara X hits PS2 this June!" , posted Tue 8 Apr 00:47
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No.
Basara is an OK license, but nothing like a DMC, Onimusha, MH, Bio Hazard or even the latest Rockman spinoffs. It's maybe as profitable as Full House Kiss, and of course better than any Clover licenses, but, oh well.
It is an intermediate series (the budget for each title shows it) and it doesn't exist outside Japan.
Well, I look at it this way: Starting today, (if not earlier, haven't been keeping track) Capcom JP's main site has officially given the BASARA series its own portal, showcasing that it's a series of importance to them that they look to be investing in for the long haul.
Then there's also the notion that the PS2 port of the game will basically get the "KOEI Musou LE" treatment as well. The Special Edition of the game will include the OST, character cards and deluxe packaging deal, for 8390 yen.
So the series' may never get released out of Nihongo-land ever again. By the looks of things, Capcom JP seemingly could care less, because the series has enough of a following in Japan, that they can afford to wash their hands of trying to make heads or tails of the matter regarding "Devil Kings".
Hell, recent BASARA offerings have been, overall, selling better in Japan alone, than traditional Rockman games (re: Zero and ZX) have been doing in the same region of the world. And for both series to basically get the same type of development cycle and monetary expenditure, yet Rockman is the clear-cut "veteran" franchise with a significantly larger fanbase, I would think that's pretty good, on BASARA's behalf.
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I thought so too, since the first week of sales were pretty low, yet in their latest Financial Quarter PR, Capcom stated they were "satisfied" with the final sales of the Wii version. However, who knows what they expected in the first place.
I think it goes without saying that the Wii is going to be the new turf for the BASARA series...eventually. If Capcom could put friggin' Monster Hunter on the Wii, there's little to suggest why they'd do anything different for BASARA, which I will clearly admit is a less important commodity than MH.
But I guess the big thing is, that as long as the PS2 is available, and Capcom keeps supporting it, the transition is going to be slower, and people will be less incited to transfer over to the Wii. Ideally, the upcoming SB3 would be Wii-exclusive, and would do more to enforce this transition. But Capcom, being Capcom, may still decide to capitalize on the PS2, until it coughs its last breath some time in 2009/2010. In which case, we might be prone to having a few more "PS2/Wii" simul-releases in the future...
Dokuganryu wa Date jya ne you see?
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"Re(4):Re(10):Re(10):Sengoku Basara X (Cross)" , posted Thu 21 Feb 13:09
