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| shin ramberk 338th Post
 
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|  "Re(1):Most balanced fighting game ever?" , posted Mon 21 Apr 14:47
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What fighting game is largely considered to be the most balanced of them all?
I once heard someone mention SSFIIT as the most balanced, and I've also heard that one of the Virtua Fighters (I think 2) was the most balanced ever. So I thought this would be a nice place to discuss this.
Hrm... My guesses from what I've heard throughout the year are...
Capcom Games
HF, ST
SNK Games
SS2, KOF 98, maybe KOF 2002?
I don't know much about Sega, Namco and Sega-Sammy games.
Maybe we should make a "a completely horribly unbalanced" thread too. The funny thing though is that Super Turbo is the most balanced and unbalanced game (IMO). If you leave Gouki/Akuma as a playable character, the game gets completely broken because he dominates all other characters. If you leave him out it becomes a lot better balanced.
So my horribly unbalanced game pyramid would look like this...
ST - 1 character that beats them all: Gouki/Akuma
WW - 1 character that beats them all: Guile
3S - 3 characters that really dominiate: Yun, Chun Li, Ken
SFA/SFA2 - 3 to 4 characters that really dominiate.
CvS2 - 4 or so broken characters: Blanka, Sagat, Sakura, Dictator
MvC2 - 4 or so: Magneto, Storm, Sentinel, Cable
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| Toxico 4387th Post
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|  "Re(3):Most balanced fighting game ever?" , posted Tue 22 Apr 01:00
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SS2
Except Ukyō, and Ukyō, and Ukyō.
Ukyo, Charlotte and perhaps Kyoshiro are to be considered "unholy" on spirits 2, how ever due to an engine bug, if one character is at the corner, it becomes almost invincible, so playing the game was just wasting time, when you play long and deep enough, almost every game becomes like this.
It's better if people just learn that the only properly balanced games in human history are the likes of chess, some sports where close (like tennis), but being blessed with physical advantages (big arms and the like) breaks the game :P
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| Red Falcon 6000th Post
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| "Re(4):Most balanced fighting game ever?" , posted Tue 22 Apr 01:04:
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SS2
Except Ukyō, and Ukyō, and Ukyō.
Ukyo, Charlotte and perhaps Kyoshiro are to be considered "unholy" on spirits 2, how ever due to an engine bug, if one character is at the corner, it becomes almost invincible, so playing the game was just wasting time, when you play long and deep enough, almost every game becomes like this.
It's better if people just learn that the only properly balanced games in human history are the likes of chess, some sports where close (like tennis), but being blessed with physical advantages (big arms and the like) breaks the game :P
Yeah. I find it's best just to not worry about balance issues and go ahead and deal with it. If you worry about people being broken too much, you really probably won't have much fun playing any fighter. And yeah, ST is really well balanced if you exclude Gouki, but it's still ALL match-ups, so you really need to play two or three charas to "play" it. And O. Sagat and Balrog (Claw) are pretty stupid fights for most characters, too.
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| Iron D 2861th Post
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| "Re(5):Most balanced fighting game ever?" , posted Tue 22 Apr 03:09
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SS2
Except Ukyō, and Ukyō, and Ukyō.
Ukyo, Charlotte and perhaps Kyoshiro are to be considered "unholy" on spirits 2, how ever due to an engine bug, if one character is at the corner, it becomes almost invincible, so playing the game was just wasting time, when you play long and deep enough, almost every game becomes like this.
It's better if people just learn that the only properly balanced games in human history are the likes of chess, some sports where close (like tennis), but being blessed with physical advantages (big arms and the like) breaks the game :P
Yeah. I find it's best just to not worry about balance issues and go ahead and deal with it. If you worry about people being broken too much, you really probably won't have much fun playing any fighter. And yeah, ST is really well balanced if you exclude Gouki, but it's still ALL match-ups, so you really need to play two or three charas to "play" it. And O. Sagat and Balrog (Claw) are pretty stupid fights for most characters, too.
Let me point out that I ask this question only out of curiosity. As I mentioned in the VS thread, I'm not a tourney-driven tier whore. I play with whatever characters I feel are fun (and for me, that's usually the majority of the cast in any fighting game I play).
Despite this, I've always found tiers to be a fun thing to read about. For some reason, despite not paying much attention to tiers when I play, tier talk has always been really fun. Maybe it's the fact that I've never been a top level tourney player at any fighter ever...
Also, I already assumed that there are no completely balanced fighting games out there. That's why the thread is titled "what is the most balanced fighting game" rather than "is there a perfectly balanced fighting game".
Er.....
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| Toxico 4388th Post
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| "Re(6):Most balanced fighting game ever?" , posted Tue 22 Apr 03:26
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That's why the thread is titled "what is the most balanced fighting game" rather than "is there a perfectly balanced fighting game".
Well, Samurai Spirits 0 Special (and perhaps 0 as well) should be hold high and worshiped as one of the few games where, is fun and; what happens in the game, is what the company wants to happen in the game (no stupid brain dead bugs, unblockables, strong hard to punish chains, low risk ~ huge reward moves and so on); in video game history almost no company can claim that (but every company does), it might be a coincidence that instead of a 'game maker trained crew' the game was made by old game fans who own a video game company.
Recently I heard from a respectable arcade drunkard with wide experience that "the last smash brothers meele is, perhaps the most balanced fighter in history, it's a shame that it's not meant to be played seriously". 
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| Nobinobita 317th Post
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| "Re(8):Most balanced fighting game ever?" , posted Tue 22 Apr 06:01
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This was pretty much what I was aiming at when I thought of this thread, but for the sake of conversation I'll say that anyone who puts in their two cents can interpret balance any way they choose. Just make it clear which viewpoint you're coming from.
When you're talking about gameplay balance you have to consider what level people will be playing at. For instance, if you don't play competitively, most of the Capcom fighters are pretty balanced. For casual play I think Third Strike and even CVS2 are balanced. But for high level play all that goes out the window. But how many people can actually play at that level?
I've been playing SF for almost 2 decades now, but I'm definitely not going to rank at any tournaments (well, i won a CVS2 tournament at an Anime convention once, but that doesn't really count). I love to watch high level play, i enjoy the technique and strategy and theory behind it, but I don't really play well enough to abuse any characters. I can't roll cancel on command, I can't charge partition, hell i have trouble canceling into supers consistently.
I wonder what percentage of people who buy and play fighting games actually are able to take advantage of tiers? I would say out of the 35 or so people I've known personally that play fighting games (as in play enough to have a basic understanding of the system and to learn movesets), maybe 6 of them played really competitively. 6 and one half if i count myself.
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